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    Default Do you want a subforum for opera DVD's?

    There's talk about this on several threads now, but maybe it's best to discuss this - and everything that has to do with it on a thread of it's own.
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    Ultimately, no.
    Let's not fix what is not broken.
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    What exactly would this look like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grosse Fugue View Post
    What exactly would this look like.
    We now have threads like "opera on dvd" and "current watching" which are very long threads and you have to plow through a lot of posts to find those posts concerning a dvd of an opera you might be interested in. The subforum would deal with dvd's about operas on an individual basis ("Carmen on DVD", "The Ring on DVD" and so on). Individual threads for operas are also likely to result in more posts since there's no danger of one person's review of, say, Peter Grimes being buried under an avalanche of posts about other operas. That we're gonna go for one thread per opera (like the recent Mefistofe thread) is already more or less decided. The question that remains is if we need a subforum for this or not.
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    Yes I think it would be quite helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almaviva View Post
    Ultimately, no.
    Let's not fix what is not broken.
    So, should we in your opinion go for threads like "Mefistofele on DVD and CD" or seperate between DVD's and CD's? It seems to me that if we do it on the regular opera board there's no need to seperate between the two. There will in the long run be a truckload of new threads as it is and there's no need to complicate matters by having two threads for every opera. Besides, someone asking for a recommendation might be interested in CD's as well as DVD's. It would be kinda silly if someone on the "Don Giovanni on DVD" thread asked for a recommendation on CD and we'd have to say, "go to the "Don Giovanni on CD" thread and we'll answer you."
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhar26 View Post
    So, should we in your opinion go for threads like "Mefistofele on DVD and CD" or seperate between DVD's and CD's? It seems to me that if we do it on the regular opera board there's no need to seperate between the two.
    You're right. If there are going to be separate threads for each opera, then it would be too cumbersome to separate CDs and DVDs - and it would stifle discussion for the reason you give.

    Other than this, I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other about the organisation. To continue as we are means that old reviews become effectively forever buried, to be found only by the forum archaeologists; to change to the new system means a potentially unmanageable number of different threads. Either way we're doomed. Doomed, I tell you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elgarian View Post
    You're right. If there are going to be separate threads for each opera, then it would be too cumbersome to separate CDs and DVDs - and it would stifle discussion for the reason you give.

    Other than this, I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other about the organisation. To continue as we are means that old reviews become effectively forever buried, to be found only by the forum archaeologists; to change to the new system means a potentially unmanageable number of different threads. Either way we're doomed. Doomed, I tell you.
    On the other hand, there are a lot of positives for individual threads per opera. Mefistofele is not the most popular opera in the world and yet it's thread gets a decent response. If Annie's review had been posted on the regular "Opera on DVD" thread and someone else had posted one or two reviews of other operas on there in the hours following Annie's review there would have been fewer replies to her post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhar26 View Post
    On the other hand, there are a lot of positives for individual threads per opera.
    Undeniable.

    Well, if it comes to a vote, I'll vote the same way as you, Gaston!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhar26 View Post
    On the other hand, there are a lot of positives for individual threads per opera. Mefistofele is not the most popular opera in the world and yet it's thread gets a decent response. If Annie's review had been posted on the regular "Opera on DVD" thread and someone else had posted one or two reviews of other operas on there in the hours following Annie's review there would have been fewer replies to her post.
    Agree having thread for each opera is better way to go and generates more in depth and better discussion than general "opera on DVD" thread, becomes a better reference tool in future, we should agree on uniform thread title format to make them easier to find like:
    "composer - opera"
    Mozart - Don Giovani

    Agree that all media formats should be included for each opera thread, makes no sense to seperate DVD from CD discussion

    It does mean that people may have to search to find thread of less often discussed opera before posting and starting a new thread


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    Quote Originally Posted by jhar26 View Post
    So, should we in your opinion go for threads like "Mefistofele on DVD and CD" or seperate between DVD's and CD's? It seems to me that if we do it on the regular opera board there's no need to seperate between the two. There will in the long run be a truckload of new threads as it is and there's no need to complicate matters by having two threads for every opera. Besides, someone asking for a recommendation might be interested in CD's as well as DVD's. It would be kinda silly if someone on the "Don Giovanni on DVD" thread asked for a recommendation on CD and we'd have to say, "go to the "Don Giovanni on CD" thread and we'll answer you."
    It's the subforum concept that I had initially supported but then grew weary of.
    It may isolate these threads, divide things, get less discussion rather than more.
    One thread per opera, you know that I have objections to this - I had thought that we could group them by composer in order to avoid clogging the first page - but so be it.

    The problem is, by making one thread per opera we do risk an overpopulation of such threads that will push other discussions out of the front page and therefore out of mind for many who aren't motivated enough to go clicking on the next page to find other less popular (but maybe interesting) discussions.

    So in my opinion the ideal format is: all reviews and "current watching" material should be gathered in threads grouped by composer, clearly identified and searchable, and they should remain in the regular area of the forum.

    But if you are really going for one thread per opera, then yes, a subforum is wiser otherwise these threads would completely overwhelm the first page.

    Sure, there is no sense in dividing CD or DVD. If it's one thread per opera, then it should include both media.

    More essential then a subforum, I think, is the strong encouragement for uniform titles to facilitate searches - or even, editing of the titles by the moderators to achieve the same effect if the poster forgets to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almaviva View Post
    It's the subforum concept that I had initially supported but then grew weary of.
    It may isolate these threads, divide things, get less discussion rather than more.
    One thread per opera, you know that I have objections to this - I had thought that we could group them by composer in order to avoid clogging the first page - but so be it.

    The problem is, by making one thread per opera we do risk an overpopulation of such threads that will push other discussions out of the front page and therefore out of mind for many who aren't motivated enough to go clicking on the next page to find other less popular (but maybe interesting) discussions.

    So in my opinion the ideal format is: all reviews and "current watching" material should be gathered in threads grouped by composer, clearly identified and searchable, and they should remain in the regular area of the forum.

    But if you are really going for one thread per opera, then yes, a subforum is wiser otherwise these threads would completely overwhelm the first page.

    Sure, there is no sense in dividing CD or DVD. If it's one thread per opera, then it should include both media.

    More essential then a subforum, I think, is the strong encouragement for uniform titles to facilitate searches - or even, editing of the titles by the moderators to achieve the same effect if the poster forgets to do it.
    If we don't have a subforum it might be worth considering to do those "...on DVD and CD" threads per composer for the reasons you mention. Problem with that in my opinion is that in no time we'll have the same problem as we now have with the "Opera on DVD" thread: Many different operas discussed on the same thread, many reviews ignored because others post reviews of different operas after that.

    If we have a subforum there's no need for that and we can have seperate threads for each opera since threads about subjects other than DVD's and CD's will be posted on the regular opera thread and won't thus be pushed to page two.
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    I haven't counted how many different operas we have discussed so far, but quite many. If they were scattered among other threads under "Opera", like the new "Mefistofele" thread, it would soon disappear among threads like "Help pick my Christmas gift!", "Live from the Met: Don Carlo", "A message from the past" etc.

    That's why I'm still in favour of a subforum, and perhaps in favour of keeping it "Opera on DVD". It wouldn't prevent us from referring to CD versions as alternatives to DVDs, if we feel that the DVD is not worth having and there is a CD version that we would like to recommend instead. But the plethora of operas available only on CD format wouldn't make it too messy. If this should work, the "Opera on CD" could be changed to a similar subforum of its own.

    Ideally we should have a completely new kind of structure of the site, where there would be an alphabetical list of composers to choose from, maybe a chronological (or alphabetical) list of operas by a single composer under that layer, and the messages dealing with the opera under that layer. On a sidebar there would be a list of latest additions, so that you could easily see, what is going on.

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    I don't find it necessary but I see that two-three users particularly connected with opera section enjoy writting useful and lenghty reviews and if they would feel more comfortable and become more productive after having section for this subject I can't see any reason not to give it to them when they ask.

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    I think that a sub forum would be a helpful way of indexing the operas and a handy reference tool.

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