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    I hope this thread is not totally dead (and bear with me for any faux pas, as this is my first post in this forum). Am I missing something about Gould's sonata no. 5. He finishes it in just 2:45 (in contrast to Gilels' 7 mins). The difference cannot be explained simply by the absence of repeats. Moreover, though I havent listened to it with sheet music at hand, the notes esp. at the beginning simply sound different. It sounds like he is performing a different sonata than the one performed by Gilels (or Arrau) did under that title...

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    Quote Originally Posted by iskender View Post
    I hope this thread is not totally dead (and bear with me for any faux pas, as this is my first post in this forum). Am I missing something about Gould's sonata no. 5. He finishes it in just 2:45 (in contrast to Gilels' 7 mins). The difference cannot be explained simply by the absence of repeats. Moreover, though I havent listened to it with sheet music at hand, the notes esp. at the beginning simply sound different. It sounds like he is performing a different sonata than the one performed by Gilels (or Arrau) did under that title...
    No, not performing a different sonata. Gould plays the music in a playful way, while Arrau tries to find a bit of old man's wisdom in there.

    I enjoyed what Gould does, just because it's so unexpected and IMO this is not an easy movement to make interesting, so thanks for bringing it up. I can't get my head around what Gilels does at all.
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    For me Gould isn't only about Bach. I love his beethoven recordings, i ve listened almost to all of them. I recomend these, not so eccentric recordings, to you:

    Piano Sonata no 12 (gould received a grammy award for this recording)
    Piano concerto 4
    Piano Sonata op.110
    Eroica variations
    32 variations in c minor

    And many other recordings which, for me, are great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iliasvl View Post
    For me Gould isn't only about Bach. I love his beethoven recordings, i ve listened almost to all of them. I recomend these, not so eccentric recordings, to you:

    Piano Sonata no 12 (gould received a grammy award for this recording)
    Piano concerto 4
    Piano Sonata op.110
    Eroica variations
    32 variations in c minor

    And many other recordings which, for me, are great.
    Another one you may enjoy is the op 126 bagatelles. The concerto 4 is ruined by overbearing and vulgar conducting from Leonard Bernstein. I didn't know he won an award for op 26 - I'll listen to it soon. I like what he does with op 28.

    By the way there's a live op110 (from Stockholm) which is worth trying to hear I think.
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    I have Gould's LvB piano sonatas and the variations he recorded. Some of them are electrifying in their intensity but sometimes the manner just becomes plain distorted as in the Appassionata. The problem is that Gould I believe had a mental problem which made him want to control everything his way. He said he didn't like the Appassionata so he played it in a way that no-one else would. Why he recorded it - and the Mozart sonatas - is beyond me. Bucks I suppose. I'm a Gould fan and have the vast majority of his discs but unfortunately he sometimes in trying to be the ultimate iconoclast he overstepped the mark way too much
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    oh yes, i forgot the op. 28, his interpretation of it is one of my favorite sonatas by Gould.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandryka View Post
    Another one you may enjoy is the op 126 bagatelles. The concerto 4 is ruined by overbearing and vulgar conducting from Leonard Bernstein. I didn't know he won an award for op 26 - I'll listen to it soon. I like what he does with op 28.

    By the way there's a live op110 (from Stockholm) which is worth trying to hear I think.
    oh yes, i forgot the op. 28, his interpretation of it is one of my favorite sonatas by Gould.

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    The best GG interpretations of LVB in my opinion are the following four, and in this specific order:

    1- The Empror Concerto (youtube it, it'll knock you off your feet)
    2- The appassionata
    3- The Tempest
    4- Sonata no. 8

    Those are not just ''acceptable'' GG performances of LVB, they're exceptional. For the rest of LVB's work, I agree. Not down GG's alley.

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    Default Beethoven opus 31

    I enjoy Gould's interpretation and performance of the Beethoven sonatas opus 31 as well as his recordings of the Beethoven symphonies transcribed for piano. He offers new and unique ideas in a very skilled manner. People get hung up on the way they think the composer would have played these works. Art is not static. I believe Beethoven would have approved of Gould's interpretations of his music. Glenn Gould was an eccentric genius and I, for one, am grateful for his life as an artist.



    Quote Originally Posted by Yoshi View Post
    I don't get it, I absolutely love Gould's Beethoven. Maybe the only ones I didn't enjoy as much as the others were his Appassionata and Op.10 no.5, but the rest is lovely. Moonlight, Pathetique, Tempest, Hammerklavier, No.30 Op.109, are just some examples of sonatas which my favourite version is Gould's.

    Edit: I forgot to mention the piano concertos, which my favourite recordings are Gould's too.

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    1. Beethoven Opus 31 remarkable and excellently performed
    2. Beethoven Symphonies transcribed for piano.
    3. Beethoven 32 Variations on an Original Theme in C minor
    4. Beethoven, Six Variations for Piano in F major op. 34

    these can be enjoyed on youtube. Glenn Gould rest in peace.
    Last edited by Thomas Cassidy; Sep-28-2018 at 21:13. Reason: additional material

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    Sviatoslav Richter once famously remarked, “You know I could play Bach as well as Gould. But do you know why I don’t play as well as he does? Because I would have to work so hard to play like him.”

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    I haven't heard Gould's Beethoven Sonatas but his Emperor Concerto with Leopold Stokowski on Sony/Columbia is my all time favorite - I have heard at least forty recordings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Cassidy View Post
    I believe Beethoven would have approved of Gould's interpretations of his music. Glenn Gould was an eccentric genius and I, for one, am grateful for his life as an artist.
    I believe Beethoven would have pummeled Gould with his fists until he was unconscious and bloody. Then Brahms and Prokofiev would have kicked him on the ground.

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    and Six Variations for Piano in F major op. 34

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRj5UtuxfPs

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    I have Gould's LvB piano sonatas and the variations he recorded. Some of them are electrifying in their intensity but sometimes the manner just becomes plain distorted as in the Appassionata. The problem is that Gould I believe had a mental problem which made him want to control everything his way. He said he didn't like the Appassionata so he played it in a way that no-one else would. Why he recorded it - and the Mozart sonatas - is beyond me. Bucks I suppose. I'm a Gould fan and have the vast majority of his discs but unfortunately he sometimes in trying to be the ultimate iconoclast he overstepped the mark way too much
    That's a fair assessment and sums up perfectly the way I feel about Gould in Beethoven. Sometimes mesmerising, sometimes bizarre but at least always interesting.

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