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    Default Hello and can you help?

    hello, my name is Tansy I came here to ask people of clasical and opera knowledge a question you may know the answer to!

    This is an odd question do bear with me, I do love music and my ffavourite is metal and gothic...yes I know you may be thinking "Why is she here?", well you may not beilive it but metalers and goths (nick names for us) have allot of classical pieces in their music. They share the same passion for emotion as most classical lovers do, it is very charatarstic in gothic music especilly the modern bands to have allot of gothic chanting, choirs and violins to add to the drama and romantic darkness so to speak.

    I would like to ask has any one got any idea where I may be able to get classical music that has gothic over tones or very dark, I heard from some goths and metalers that 'ethrial gothic' is actually a music that exsists!

    If you can't help don't worry!if I find any of this type pf ethrial music I will tell you!

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    Gothic! Thad's like by far not my personalaty.

    Far as I know from the Gothic music is the beat thad I cannot find attractive. But I have a good ide for you, you should try the 20th century mandolin music It's dark but also romantic. If you don't like grandma music Mozart or Beethoven(well call me Grandma) you could try Avant-Garde artform of music. And another option is minimalism music from the U.S including Steve Reich, Terry Riley and Philip Glass I know the Music for 18 Musicians by Steve Reich should be a good choice for a Goth.

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    I'm not sure about "ethrial gothic," but I can at least tell you that classical music has the darkest music of any genre, period. No gothic or black metal can compete with the abyss that Liszt can conjure up, or the evil of Mussorgsky or the bleakness of Alkan.

    Liszt:

    1. Unstern, sinistre disastro
    2. Aux Cypres de la Villa d'Este I
    3. Funeral Prelude and Funeral March
    4. Harmonies Poetiques et Religieuses; 'Funerailles'
    5. Marche Funebre
    6. Mosonyi's Funeral Procession
    7. Operatic Paraphrase of Meyerbeer's "L'Africaine"
    8. R.W. Venezia
    9. Symphonic Poem No. 8 'Heroide funebre'
    10. Apres une lecture du Dante
    11. Dante Symphony; "Inferno"

    Mussorgsky:

    1. Night on Bald Mountain
    2. Pictures at an Exhibition; 'Cum Mortuis in Lingua Morta'
    3. Pictures at an Exhibition; 'Catacombs'

    Rachmaninov:

    1. Prelude in C sharp minor

    Schubert:

    1. Der Doppelganger from Schwanengesang

    Alkan:

    1. Grande Sonate Op. 33; 'Promethee enchaine'
    2. Souvenirs Troix Morceaux dans pathetique Op. 15; "Morte"
    3. Prelude Op. 31 No. 8 'Song of the Madwoman by the Seashore'

    This music touches on some of the black realms that have been explored in classical. They are actually mostly piano works, but after you hear them I don't think any amount of goth music will impress you any more.

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    Many thanks, gothic is not scary quite misunderstood. Its not loud and agrassive as haevy metal can be, it started from punk but became more rock through the late 80's. A good band is Sisters of Mercy they had allot of chanting dance type music, allot of it is very 80's sounding it became allot more heavy throught the nineties and now its commercial with shock rocker Marylin Manson (who is not gothic).

    Gothic is the ying of dark music being its lighter and more poetic then heavy metal, heavy metal is darker but I like them because they are brave music that is not afraid to state real emotions. In my opion all music is emotional, I am certain when classical artists were playing in their 'hay day' they were seen as a kind of rolling stones! music re-invents itself all the time. You can look on gothic writting in Hip Hop as well, Emminem wrote very dark gothic tones.

    I do like 'night on bare mountain' har har! especialy when disney did their version of it!being an artist I understand that sad and happy are a good balance.

    This wil sound very funny but in the chessy movie flick 'Hellsing' their is a scene with a large grand ball and the opera singer had a strange sining voice haunting and romantic. I will look up the suggested artists.

    Also if you go on the 'Metal Hammer' forums ther are many metal/gothic types who have an exclusive classical music thread, look it up.

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    I should have put this link in my post, but Dantette, please indulge me and sample this. It's a four minute excerpt from Liszt's Dante symphony for Two Pianos.

    *edit* I put the wrong mp3 excerpt in the first time. The link should work now.
    Last edited by Hexameron; Jan-13-2007 at 18:07.

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    thanks so much!yay!dark music, cool.

    It sounded like music for a silent movie with the feme fatale and some dracula character dragging poor girl into his liar...groovey!I liked the chaios of the player, it would be extra cool to have that as a build up to goth song its starts with lots of deep piano then sudden guitar and silence then some haunting voice...hmmm lovley

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    Hexameron damn good piano music, I love Liszt in all therms:
    Sonata in B minor,
    and two piano concertos
    plus his Symphonic poem.

    But Dantette check thease out:
    Jon Leifs - Hekla(volcanic mountain in Iceland)
    Philip Glass - A wierd pice(not my taste)
    Terry Riley - some computer-minimalism-classical(also wierd)

    And everyone who reades this, please download the Hekla pice and tell me what you think. An Icelandic chaos plus beautiful nature comes along.

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    You might find the Berlioz Symphonie Fantastique quite interesting, especially the last two movements.

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    Dantette - my radio show when I was at another station used to be right AFTER the metal/goth show, and I had a great cross-over audience. I used Dead Can Dance as my intro music quite often. (I used to be a Goth back in the very early 1980's!!)

    I pretty much can recommend any Wagner opera, and also the Walpurgisnacht from Goethe's opera Faust.

    The Commendatore scene from Don Giovanni where he shows up to dinner "Don Giovanni - a tenar ceco" is very chilling in the Teldec release with Thomas Hampson as the Don and Robert Holl as the Commendatore.

    There is a fairly obscure opera by Marschnerr called (the Vampire)

    "Der Vampyr"

    It was re-made and updated to London in the 1980's, and became a fairly successful miniseries on BBC television - I know you can still buy that version on VHS/DVD. The original version needs some good cutting to be palatable, its a long evening, with too much repetition.

    I also agree with the lister who suggested Franz Liszt

    But I digress...hope this helped.
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