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    Lucia Popp & Siegfried Jerusalem - F. von Flotow "Martha" - Latzte Rose
    Top notch .
    First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
    "Mahatma Gandhi"

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    Just ordered this one. Only sound clip I could find.



    Sound quality wise this is the worst of my 5 German sets. The others are:

    These two are similar in sound quality and better than Gierster (above):
    Schuler with Berger and Anders
    Martin with Schoner and Grobe

    These two are very good sound quality:
    Wallberg with Popp and Jerusalem
    Heger with Rothenberger and Gedda
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    Not sure if it is a lip sync problem or what, but in this video the voice does not seem to go with him:
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    I just ordered this set, which has my favorite Nancy. My favorite Nancy and the same Nancy (Elizabeth Steiner) as in the great You Tube Martha video.



    Sound Clips Here: www.amazon.de/dp/B0017SBNT6/

    Should be the remaster of this vinyl set:

    Last edited by Fritz Kobus; Sep-30-2017 at 02:41.
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    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    If we could have a Martha production with current or recently retired singers, produced say in the last 10-15 years who would you pick? I am not good with the nuances of voice beyond main categories, but am thinking:

    Renee Fleming as Lady Harriet (Martha)
    Cecilia Bartoli as Nancy
    Kaufmann or Florez as Lyonel

    I am at a loss for the basses and we need two, Tristan Mickelford and Plunkett
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    Just ordered this one. Only sound clip I could find.


    Sound quality wise this is the worst of my 5 German sets. The others are:

    These two are similar in sound quality and better than Gierster (above):
    Schuler with Berger and Anders
    Martin with Schoner and Grobe

    These two are very good sound quality:
    Wallberg with Popp and Jerusalem
    Heger with Rothenberger and Gedda
    After receiving it and listening multiple times, I rate the Gierster set above the Schuler and Martin sets for sound quality. Also quite a nice performance.
    Last edited by Fritz Kobus; Oct-06-2017 at 05:04.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    If we could have a Martha production with current or recently retired singers, produced say in the last 10-15 years who would you pick? I am not good with the nuances of voice beyond main categories, but am thinking:

    Renee Fleming as Lady Harriet (Martha)
    Cecilia Bartoli as Nancy
    Kaufmann or Florez as Lyonel

    I am at a loss for the basses and we need two, Tristan Mickelford and Plunkett
    Not suited for Fleming this role, more for like Netrebko.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugg View Post
    Not suited for Fleming this role, more for like Netrebko.
    Surely not the current Netrebko? Possibly 10 or 15 years ago?

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    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    Here is a real oldie:


    But hey, that's not even a hundred years old. Try this one (actually sounds better too):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlHTu3KIMes


    Coming back to somewhat more recent times is a 1936 movie that is really weird but interesting (maybe I'll try to find a copy):
    Last edited by Fritz Kobus; Nov-03-2017 at 01:36.
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    I have a question on this set:



    This ballet is inserted instead of the part where Martha sweet talks Tristan into going on their escapade and then she and Nancy try to teach him to dance. Where does this ballet come from? Is it Flotow? Someone else?

    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    This ballet is inserted instead of the part where Martha sweet talks Tristan into going on their escapade and then she and Nancy try to teach him to dance. Where does this ballet come from? Is it Flotow? Someone else?
    I'll repeat my answer from the other thread as others may be interested.

    Martha, the opera, is an adaptation of a ballet, Harriette, ou la servante de Greenwiche, that Flotow wrote the first act of. This is the vivace section of the "Divertissement sur la Scene des Fous" from that original ballet music. So it is Flotow's own composition.
    Last edited by Taplow; Nov-19-2017 at 23:24.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taplow View Post
    I'll repeat my answer from the other thread as others may be interested.

    Martha, the opera, is an adaptation of a ballet, Harriette, ou la servante de Greenwiche, that Flotow wrote the first act of. This is the vivace section of the "Divertissement sur la Scene des Fous" from that original ballet music. So it is Flotow's own composition.
    Awesome! You should have your designation of Senior Member annotated with TC Genius! Give that it is a Flotow composed ballet, I am very excited to have it on the recording.
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    Here is a really obscure excerpts set. Can only find it on LP. 1951 Inge Camphausen, soprano / Wilhelm Horst, tenor / Berlin Opera Orchestra conducted by Gerd Rubahn.
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    One thing that bugs me on Martha recordings is where Lionel proposes to her and she, laughs at the absurdity of her, a lady of the Queen's court, marrying a farmer, as the social strata were kept very separate in those times of which the opera is set. The problem is, on recording it is a very unnatural laugh, more of a perfunctorily sung laugh and a real hearfelt laugh. Where the laugh is genuine is in this wonderful video and I have queued it up to just before the laugh so you can see how natural and beautifully done it is:
    https://youtu.be/_tqJpnCakLE?t=3710
    Last edited by Fritz Kobus; Dec-11-2017 at 18:04.
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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