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    Here is an interesting article discussing the opera Martha.
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    Renee Fleming would have made a great Lady Harriet. Wish they'd have recorded her in the compete production of Flotow's Martha:
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    The review article on the new Martha CD has an interesting statement:

    Flotow did something that, so far as I know, no other opera composer has ever done: he wrote his OWN adaptations of the opera in three more languages, Italian, French and English, so that the work could be performed almost anywhere in the vernacular of the local audience.
    I don't believe any of these is available on CD. And no the existing sung-in-English CD is not it:

    This, sadly, didn’t stop the Metropolitan Opera from presenting its own ghastly English version in the 1950s and ‘60s, in which they also cheapened the work by performing it in an over-the-top Broadway style,
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    I had this in a German opera set and kind of blew it off because of sound quality, but I think I happened to get one of the best masterings, which i think is the Brilliant Classics set as I recall from listening to the manyfold releases of this performance (I count six different covers/releases on Amazon).

    I have been listening to it yesterday and today and have to agree with the author of the article linked in my previous post that this is a wonderful performance of Martha. To quote an Amazon reviewer who sums it up well, "It suffers not from cramped sonics (it was recorded in a spacious hall with good resonance) but from some distortion and "blasting" on high notes and loud passages from the orchestra and chorus."
    Last edited by Fritz Kobus; Jun-22-2018 at 03:28.
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    Wow, I missed this and should have responded long ago.

    1. The sung-in-English version will never replace the original language set with Lucia Popp.

    2. The English one is a lot of fun. I would not be without it.
    Update. I don't listen to THAT English version anymore. Also, I learned that Flotow make his own Italian, English and I think one other language, translations and the existing CD set sung in English is not Flotow's version but some bastardized version that sound more like a G&S opera. (Not dissing G&S, but Flotow is not supposed to sound like G&S.)

    Hey nice. The forum software didn't blank out the word bastardized.
    Last edited by Fritz Kobus; Jun-27-2018 at 17:36.
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antony View Post
    The famous last rose of summer by Erna Berger, 1944
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K2vN-Fg5CkU

    While Erna Berger sang well, Lucia Popp did it ...nicer
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=29vkX64U2eg
    I am sure Erna's is a good one but hard for me to know for sure. One thing for sure, when you consider voice, delivery, and sound quality of the recording, Lucia Popp is the best. The other thing against the Berger set is it has cuts, nearly 20 minutes worth of cuts.
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    Do you sometimes get the impression you're talking to yourself in here, Fritz?

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    I should get the moderator to move all this to my blog area.
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    Is there a De los Angeles Martha?

    Sorry if I've asked that before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Conte View Post
    Is there a De los Angeles Martha?

    Sorry if I've asked that before.

    N.
    Yes, the one I referred to in post #65 above. This is it:


    There also is one in Italian, which is a pretty good set, but I prefer it in German:
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    I'm going to give Martha a try sometime in the next week or so, while I have the Spotify premium trial. I downloaded the new one with the yellow cover that you mentioned previously
    Sonata's iPod Heavy rotation:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonata View Post
    I'm going to give Martha a try sometime in the next week or so, while I have the Spotify premium trial. I downloaded the new one with the yellow cover that you mentioned previously
    I will be very curious to hear your thoughts on the new Martha. For some reason it is not clicking with me. The orchestra is magnificently conducted and sounds phenominal, but the singing seem to be lacking something. I think that the singers maybe are trying too hard and it shows, or they are just not emotionally involved--that is to say they have not become the characters they are portraying. Lionel seems rather unengaged. Lady Harriett's voice is too dark for this role IMO, albeit a wonderful voice otherwise.
    Last edited by Fritz Kobus; Jun-28-2018 at 16:41.
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    I should add that in the beginning of the this video clip, the singer very nicely does the intended name flub.
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    I will be very curious to hear your thoughts on the new Martha. For some reason it is not clicking with me. The orchestra is magnificently conducted and sounds phenominal, but the singing seem to be lacking something. I think that the singers maybe are trying too hard and it shows, or they are just not emotionally involved--that is to say they have not become the characters they are portraying. Lionel seems rather unengaged. Lady Harriett's voice is too dark for this role IMO, albeit a wonderful voice otherwise.
    I've never heard the opera before. Would you recommend a different performance for my first one?
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    I think that this one is the best bet for a first timer:
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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