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    Quote Originally Posted by RBrittain View Post
    And I think you can't read. I've only tallied the first 14 so far.
    I repeat, what weighting system are you using? I thought I had asked this question very clearly.

    What is the point telling us about the results based on the first 14 votes when there are 26 votes in? It might appear that you don't seem to like Schumann very much.

    I'm watching these votes very carefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emiellucifuge View Post

    Concerning statistics; I study all the sciences and am in my last year at school so I understand the importance of sample sizes, the removal of bias and other such factors. I do not know about the formula you used in that other thread to compare various lists.
    Really? The tests I referred to are t-test and F-test. They are about as bog-standard as you can get in statistics once you get into the realm of testing hypotheses, which stage I would assume you haven't yet reached if you haven't heard of them. You might try Googling if you want any further assistance.

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    Yes - really. Apart from that I dont do statistics in school, I do mechanics instead - only touching on statistics in my Further Maths course.
    There is some statistics involved in Biology but we dont get much further than Spearman-Rank etc..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toccata View Post
    I repeat, what weighting system are you using? I thought I had asked this question very clearly.

    What is the point telling us about the results based on the first 14 votes when there are 26 votes in? It might appear that you don't seem to like Schumann very much.

    I'm watching these votes very carefully.
    A very standard weighting system. I will reveal the entire set of statistics, in an Excel spreadsheet, when I'm giving the final results.

    You seem to misunderstand a lot of things. I only mentioned casually that Schumann was outside the top 25 after the results I've compiled. That does not mean he will finish outside the top 25. As said, there is loads to go - I've only compiled 14, of 26, and I expect many more entries.

    It seems you have an agenda, as you routinely distort others' posts whilst making excuses for your own brazen assumptions and falsehoods.

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    I just want to have fun with it. The problem is I just can't include composers I don't really listen to just because other people tell me they are "great". And when most people on here say "great" I get the impression that they mean romantic/classical/Bach "great" and not modern/renaissance/baroque-that's-not-Bach "great". You may not like Gérard Grisey or Steve Reich but most cutting edge contemporary composers are likely to be highly influenced by one of these two composers. That's pretty great to me.

    1. Frédéric Chopin
    2. Arnold Schoenberg
    3. Claudio Monteverdi
    4. György Ligeti
    5. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
    6. Béla Bartók
    7. Olivier Messiaen
    8. Claude Debussy
    9. Johann Sebastian Bach
    10. Gérard Grisey
    11. Josquin des Prez
    12. Alexander Scriabin
    13. Girolamo Frescobaldi
    14. Iannis Xenakis
    15. Charles-Valentin Alkan
    16. Edgard Varèse
    17. Domenico Scarlatti
    18. Franz Liszt
    19. Morton Feldman
    20. Jean-Philippe Rameau
    21. Modest Mussorgsky
    22. Sofia Gubaidulina
    23. Charles Ives
    24. Hildegard von Bingen
    25. Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina

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    Allow me to tag one on here with a twist. There are only a few composers I'd be willing to call favourites, but I looked at my inventory to see which ones I have the most CDs of, and here are the results:

    FJ Haydn - 169
    JS Bach - 165
    Handel - 100
    Mozart - 75
    Telemann - 46
    Beethoven - 37
    Dvorak - 22
    Boccherini - 20
    Schubert - 16
    Mendelssohn - 15
    Brahms - 14
    Vaughn Williams - 12
    Purcell - 8
    Couperin - 8
    Sainte Colombe - 8
    Spohr - 8
    Hovhaness - 7
    Onslow - 7
    Pleyel - 6
    Monteverdi - 6
    Debussy - 6
    Part - 6
    Rolla - 5
    Dowland - 5
    Schutz - 5

    edited for spelling and such

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBrittain View Post
    A very standard weighting system. I will reveal the entire set of statistics, in an Excel spreadsheet, when I'm giving the final results.

    You seem to misunderstand a lot of things. I only mentioned casually that Schumann was outside the top 25 after the results I've compiled. That does not mean he will finish outside the top 25. As said, there is loads to go - I've only compiled 14, of 26, and I expect many more entries.

    It seems you have an agenda, as you routinely distort others' posts whilst making excuses for your own brazen assumptions and falsehoods.
    Thank you for your comments.

    I would still like to know exactly what weighting system you plan to use, so that I and possibly others too may be able to comment upon it before you produce any results, as it could be material to the outcome. As far as I am aware, there is no such thing as "a very standard weighting system", and that is why I'm asking for clarification of this matter. If the one you propose to use is as standard as you claim, I assume you won't mind telling us now what it is if only to avoid any criticism later.

    If I may say so, it is not me who has any agenda but rather you. It was you who proposed a new thread to replace the other one (T-C Top 100 Composers). I admit that it was struggling to survive various practical problems it began to encounter, but I can't see that there was any need to repeat the exercise, especially since you intend only to go as far as the top 25 composers which is roughly where the previous one got to before it hit the buffers.

    In raising a new thread you did so by declaring that you reserved the right to ignore some results if they didn't meet with your expectations. That was quite extraordinary. As the results began to roll in you then made certain approving comments about composers you like, and various disparaging remarks about several composers whom you don't rate based on your very limited exposure to their works, e.g. having listened to a "best of X" CD.

    Then when some dubious results began to occur in the case of much less well-known composers you used personal terminology to describe certain members who submitted these nominations which was hardly tactful. In response to criticism from one of the targets of your obscure terminology you then backtracked and pretended it was all a joke.

    Next you next changed your mind about ignoring certain votes, and now say you welcome all-comers.

    The latest bizarre twist is that you are quoting some certain selective results for a composer whom you have declared you don't rate based on only half of the available sample results, and now say that the results might change. Of course they might, just as some of the others might.

    In the light of all these oddities, I intend to monitor this vote and question your procedures if I don't like the look of what you are doing.

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    And once again, you're grossly distorting things. I'm going to respond to you once more, but after that, I'm going to ignore you, because I am now almost convinced that you are a troll.

    Quote Originally Posted by Toccata View Post
    I would still like to know exactly what weighting system you plan to use, so that I and possibly others too may be able to comment upon it before you produce any results, as it could be material to the outcome. As far as I am aware, there is no such thing as "a very standard weighting system", and that is why I'm asking for clarification of this matter. If the one you propose to use is as standard as you claim, I assume you won't mind telling us now what it is if only to avoid any criticism later.
    That's none of your business. You're not taking part in the game. Every one of your posts in this thread has been complaining about something or other, and your posts are also riddled with assumptions and semi-sinister tones. Out of principle, I won't be telling you the scoring system, but I will tell anyone who has taken part who asks. It is a very standard scoring system. That's all you're getting. You'll have to wait for someone who I respect (who has taken part) to ask, and I will answer them. Or, take part yourself, then ask, and then I will tell you.

    In raising a new thread you did so by declaring that you reserved the right to ignore some results if they didn't meet with your expectations. That was quite extraordinary. As the results began to roll in you then made certain approving comments about composers you like, and various disparaging remarks about several composers whom you don't rate based on your very limited exposure to their works, e.g. having listened to a "best of X" CD.

    Then when some dubious results began to occur in the case of much less well-known composers you used personal terminology to describe certain members who submitted these nominations which was hardly tactful. In response to criticism from one of the targets of your obscure terminology you then backtracked and pretended it was all a joke.

    Next you next changed your mind about ignoring certain votes, and now say you welcome all-comers.
    Utter nonsense. I never said I would ignore anyone's votes. I said I would ask people to explain their lists if they appear very odd. So far, I have done that once or twice. Once again, for about the fifth or sixth time, you have grossly distorted what has been written for your own agenda. I never, ever said I was going to ignore votes.

    You're also brazenly assuming that every composer I dislike, I mustn't have heard.

    The latest bizarre twist is that you are quoting some certain selective results for a composer whom you have declared you don't rate based on only half of the available sample results, and now say that the results might change. Of course they might, just as some of the others might.

    In the light of all these oddities, I intend to monitor this vote and question your procedures if I don't like the look of what you are doing.
    Again, utter bilge. I'm not quoting 'selective results'. I've only compiled 14 so far and just casually mentioned that Schumann wasn't in the top 25 yet, but that he had plenty of chance to get up there.

    In this latest post of yours alone, Toccata, you have made at least 4 serious errors - false assumptions or outright lies. I am 99% sure you are a troll, and will be reporting you to the admins as of now, to see what they make of you. It's unfortunate for them that they will have to endure the laborious task of reading through all your nonsense.

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    Thank you to all the people who have done their lists so far. Apologies that this thread has had to be filled with such argumentative bilge. I won't tolerate trolls and hopefully the problem will be dealt with swiftly. I am hopeful that this can be a fun and interesting topic again once the problem has been dealt with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBrittain View Post
    I am 99% sure you are a troll, and will be reporting you to the admins as of now, to see what they make of you. It's unfortunate for them that they will have to endure the laborious task of reading through all your nonsense.
    It is you who has been lashing out with accusations, not me. You have accused me of having an "agenda", when all I have done is to ask you to clarify your procedures. I have had to ask repeatedly because you keep dodging the questions or refuse to answer them, e.g. about your proposed weighting system. Why can you not answer it? It's not a good excuse to say that you will only answer anyone who has already voted.

    Why you get so annoyed about a question like this I cannot understand. You have used words like "utter bilge" and "utter nonsense" to describe my comments and observations about your procedures. These are expressions which I would guess are not acceptable, despite your annoyance at my persistence. I have not used any offensive comments such as these against you or anyone else in this or any other thread, or at any time since I joined this forum quite a long time ago.

    The reason I'm tackling you is because I have an interest in statistics and I see nothing but problems in your plans, which you appear to be making worse for yourself at every stage by inappropriate comments of various sorts, changes of plan, premature prediction of results, adverse comments about certain composers, and the like.
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    Here we go! My list of top 25 favourites looks like this:

    1. Mozart
    2. Beethoven
    3. Bach
    4. Schubert
    5. Brahms
    6. Chopin
    7. Mahler
    8. Handel
    9. Haydn
    10. Mendelssohn
    11. Wagner
    12. Prokofiev
    13. Schoenberg
    14. Part
    15. Debussy
    16. Tchaikovsky
    17. Schumann
    18. Faure
    19. Bruckner
    20. Dvorak
    21. Vivaldi
    22. Liszt
    23. Gorecki
    24. Shostakovich
    25. Strauss

    Pretty happy with the list. But am not entirely happy that these were left out::
    Rachmaninov
    Ravel
    Paganini
    Stravinsky
    Gershwin
    Barber
    Berg

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    I don't take this seriously either, but I'll add my little opera-lover's list, which of course looks different from a general classical list

    1. Mozart
    2. Wagner
    3. Verdi
    4. Handel
    5. Bach (J S)
    6. Monteverdi
    7. Scarlatti (D)
    8. Puccini
    9. Beethoven
    10. Massenet
    11. Bellini
    12. Donizetti
    13. Janáček
    14. Strauss (R)
    15. Rameau
    16. Prokofiev
    17. Rossini
    18. Stravinsky
    19. Purcell
    20. Tchaikovsky
    21. Berlioz
    22. Vivaldi
    23. Schubert
    24. Berg
    25. Corelli
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    good grief. this is supposed to be fun.

    I've realised that I forgot about Nielsen but seems I cannot now edit my list.

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    One of the reasons I do like perusing lists of people's favourites (rather than generic lists of the "greats" who we all know) is when it throws up some peculiarities. It would be better with some narrative, but even just a name I've not heard of starts me on an exciting quest. I'm trying some Grisey and Rolla as we speak.

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