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    I'm feeling very odd. I checked out that Fritz Kobus, in his ongoing Wagner purchases, has clicked on a Holländer recording I appreciate: the Konwitschny 1960 in Berlin for Electrola, reissued by Brilliant. It's a tad cheap. So in my endless wait for the Muti Macbeth, I checked out the prices of the Konwitschny Tannhäuser and the Knappertsbusch stereo Parsifal (1962), and they have low prices in the marketplace in Amazon UK (14€ and 17€ delivery included). I would have liked to buy one of them, but I remember that I haven't even touched the Barenboim TUI because I'm insanely busy with opera challenges and Beethoven Symphony episodes reviewing 8 cycles in each one.

    I need patience because probably in 5 years time I have already finished testing all the orchestral and operatic discography. I don't enjoy music, I enjoy comparing, and it's like I'm buying CDs for watching on my shelf instead of playing them. The thing now is that I'm not liking at all this Beethoven Symphony episode I'm in and I'm finding out I could like Beethoven Symphonies even less than many operas. Decision: no purchase.

    I hope to be wrong and like more symphonic composers out of Bruckner, Mahler and Sibelius, but I see myself in the future with a single shelf full of opera recordings and no Baroque period whatsoever. I'd love to settle down one day and listen and enjoy my favourite operas, maybe being 36 and marrying my CD collection. Alone but not lonely.

    I don't know, I'm not in a good mood this month. It's called lack of perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    I'm feeling very odd. I checked out that Fritz Kobus, in his ongoing Wagner purchases, has clicked on a Holländer recording I appreciate: the Konwitschny 1960 in Berlin for Electrola, reissued by Brilliant. It's a tad cheap. So in my endless wait for the Muti Macbeth, I checked out the prices of the Konwitschny Tannhäuser and the Knappertsbusch stereo Parsifal (1962), and they have low prices in the marketplace in Amazon UK (14€ and 17€ delivery included). I would have liked to buy one of them, but I remember that I haven't even touched the Barenboim TUI because I'm insanely busy with opera challenges and Beethoven Symphony episodes reviewing 8 cycles in each one.

    I need patience because probably in 5 years time I have already finished testing all the orchestral and operatic discography. I don't enjoy music, I enjoy comparing, and it's like I'm buying CDs for watching on my shelf instead of playing them. The thing now is that I'm not liking at all this Beethoven Symphony episode I'm in and I'm finding out I could like Beethoven Symphonies even less than many operas. Decision: no purchase.

    I hope to be wrong and like more symphonic composers out of Bruckner, Mahler and Sibelius, but I see myself in the future with a single shelf full of opera recordings and no Baroque period whatsoever. I'd love to settle down one day and listen and enjoy my favourite operas, maybe being 36 and marrying my CD collection. Alone but not lonely.

    I don't know, I'm not in a good mood this month. It's called lack of perspective.
    If you are not enjoying the Beethoven symphony cycles, shelve them for the time being. I have a half dozen or so Beethoven symphony cycles and probably four dozen or so Ninths, but rarely listen to any of it any more. I am focused into opera and even there, feel that I have spread myself too thin, bought too many operas and recordings I just don't need or listen to. But the bottom line is that I won't be bothered by it, but will listen to what my current desire leads me to. Got my ninth Wagner Ring cycle coming in the mail, and suppose I ought to give it a listen, but am not sure I ever listened to the Janowski Ring cycle I got last year. Ah well, if I get to it or it not, I will still listen to good music.

    But for my favorite operas, I kind of like having so many recordings, especially if none pops out as being way above the rest. With the Hollander, Sinopoli is probably my top recording, but let's see if my recent Solti and Konwitschny set pulls ahead for top place. I just switched out several from my mp3 player with several others. Nice to have so much variety within the same opera.
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    Two days ago I made a list of all the Wagner Walhall recordings I wanted to buy (because I had already tried them). The other list with ASINs I needed to do was the one for DG & Decca Originals, which have a nice price and offer a phisical libretto. I think this collection is very likely to go OOP sooner than later and that's why I'd like to do challenges of each opera on this list, in the case I want to buy exactly that Originals recording. This is the list:

    B00004R7X8 Berg - Lulu - Boulez
    B00006L76O Berlioz - La damnation de Faust - Markevitch
    B0006ZFQNA Bizet - Carmen - Abbado
    B000FG5PHW Britten - Peter Grimes - Britten
    B000SSPKZE Catalani - La Wally - Cleva AOOP
    B000PMFTC2 Donizetti - Don Pasquale - Kertesz AOOP
    B000E6EGXW Donizetti - L'elisir d'Amore - Bonynge
    B001JJX7M4 Donizetti - La fille du regiment - Bonynge
    B002ASW0AS Gluck - Iphigénie en Tauride - Gardiner
    B000GYHZ76 Gounod - Faust - Davis
    B000E8N7QM Handel - Solomon - Gardiner
    B0018NUM5Q Handel - Jephta - Gardiner AOOP
    B001JJX7MO Handel - Israel in Egypt - Gardiner OOP!!
    B000EBD84A Massenet - Werther - Davis AOOP (B006IOOXLY)
    B000001GX8 Mozart - Le Nozze di Figaro - Böhm
    B000058BGU Mozart - Don Giovanni - Fricsay
    B0018NUM5G Mozart - Die Zauberflote - Solti AOOP
    B000001GXI Mozart - Die Zauberflöte - Böhm
    B000GUJZTG Mussorgsky - Boris Godunov - Karajan
    B001CJJWIY Puccini - Il trittico - Bartoletti AOOP
    B000E6EGZ0 Puccini - Tosca - Karajan
    B000174LUM Puccini - La fanciulla del West - Mehta
    B000GUJZU0 Rossini - Guglielmo Tell - Chailly AOOP
    B000006NXT Rossini - Il Barbiere di Siviglia - Abbado
    B000SSPL08 Schoenberg - Moses und Aron - Solti AOOP
    B000KQGODG J. Strauss II - Die Fledermaus - Karajan
    B000031WYQ J. Strauss II - Die Fledermaus - Kleiber AOOP
    B000E6EH04 R. Strauss - Salome - Solti
    B000KLRUJS R. Strauss - Elektra - Solti
    B000YCLR7O R. Strauss - Der Rosenkavalier - Solti
    B000GUJZUU R. Strauss - Arabella - Solti
    B00006L76S Tchaikovsky - Pique Dame - Rostropovich AOOP
    B01BL2FBIG Tchaikovsky - Eugen Onegin - Levine
    B002ASW0BC Verdi - Nabucco - Gardelli
    B000PMFTCC Verdi - Luisa Miller - Maag
    B00000J9HF Verdi - Rigoletto - Giulini
    B000SSPL44 Verdi - La Traviata - Kleiber
    B000E0W25C Verdi - Il Trovatore - Giulini
    B000SSPL0I Verdi - La Forza del Destino - Molinari-Pradelli AOOP
    B000001GS3 Verdi - Macbeth - Abbado
    B000001GXJ Verdi - Simon Boccanegra - Abbado
    B001CJJWJ8 Verdi - Don Carlo - Solti
    B00ETHPNF2 Verdi - Don Carlos - Abbado
    B000KLRUKC Verdi - Aida - Karajan
    B000YCLR74 Verdi - Otello - Karajan
    B001JJX7K6 Wagner - Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg- Jochum
    B000001GXS Wagner - Tristan und Isolde - Böhm AOOP
    B0006ZFQP8 Wagner - Tristan und Isolde - Kleiber
    B000FVHGZG Wagner - Parsifal - Knappersbusch 1962
    B000006145 Weber - Der Freischütz - Kleiber


    Of course there is the individual editions of the Mackerras Janacek operas, but those ones are already sold in a cheaper box altogether. I don't think I'm missing any in this list. If you want to know, my first priority is Giulini's Rigoletto.

    If you like the list too, you should copy and paste it in a document, because it's an excellent browsing tool...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    Two days ago I made a list of all the Wagner Walhall recordings I wanted to buy (because I had already tried them). The other list with ASINs I needed to do was the one for DG & Decca Originals, which have a nice price and offer a phisical libretto. I think this collection is very likely to go OOP sooner than later and that's why I'd like to do challenges of each opera on this list, in the case I want to buy exactly that Originals recording.
    Plug those ASINs into www.bookbutler.com and it will give you the cheapest prices and the UPC which can then be run through Ebay.
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    Plug those ASINs into www.bookbutler.com and it will give you the cheapest prices and the UPC which can then be run through Ebay.
    Are you speaking to the others or to me? ("you" is a particularly tricky pronoun)

    Because I used the hell out of Discogs and Bookbutler for this list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    Are you speaking to the others or to me? ("you" is a particularly tricky pronoun)

    Because I used the hell out of Discogs and Bookbutler for this list.
    You. Just making sure you were aware. Guess the other place to look for some of this is OperaDepot and they are having a sale right now.
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    ^^

    I'm checking right now if I should buy more than just one Vienna Carmen by Karajan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    ^^

    I'm checking right now if I should buy more than just one Vienna Carmen by Karajan.
    There is of course the famous Vienna Karajan with Price and Corelli.

    But another (which I have) recorded live at the Vienna Opera in 1954 with Simionato and Gedda. Simionato a very Italian Carmen. Gedda his usual reliable self. Guden and Roux fill Michaela and Escamillo. Certainly worth a listen. Pays your money...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    There is of course the famous Vienna Karajan with Price and Corelli.

    But another (which I have) recorded live at the Vienna Opera in 1954 with Simionato and Gedda. Simionato a very Italian Carmen. Gedda his usual reliable self. Guden and Roux fill Michaela and Escamillo. Certainly worth a listen. Pays your money...........
    Thank you, DavidA. I'm eager to listen to all the Karajan Carmen




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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    Thank you, DavidA. I'm eager to listen to all the Karajan Carmen



    Been listening to the Vienna performance again - it is a really gripping performance, especially from Karajan and Simionato. Really dramatic.

    I'd be interested to hear the La Scala performance with di Stefano. Sadly, although Culshaw wanted him on the Schippers recording, del Monaco persuaded the powers that be he should record the role, this pretty well ruining what would have been a very good performance .
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    Been listening to the Vienna performance again - it is a really gripping performance, especially from Karajan and Simionato. Really dramatic.

    I'd be interested to hear the La Scala performance with di Stefano. Sadly, although Culshaw wanted him on the Schippers recording, del Monaco persuaded the powers that be he should record the role, this pretty well ruining what would have been a very good performance .
    Yeah, that would be an interesting piece of history. Why did both the Studio Vienna Carmen by Karajan and the Swiss Carmen by Schippers fall into oblivion? I guess there was a sharing agreement between Decca and RCA in terms of release rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    Yeah, that would be an interesting piece of history. Why did both the Studio Vienna Carmen by Karajan and the Swiss Carmen by Schippers fall into oblivion? I guess there was a sharing agreement between Decca and RCA in terms of release rights.
    The later Karajan recording with the VPO (Price and Corelli) is still widely available and has been reissued by Decca. The Schippers is worth a listen for some vital conducting, Resik's Carmen but every time Del Monaco comes on he just bawls his head off in appalling French. Still available.

    The VSO with Simionato was a radio broadcast recording and has a limited circulation..
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    The later Karajan recording with the VPO (Price and Corelli) is still widely available and has been reissued by Decca. The Schippers is worth a listen for some vital conducting, Resik's Carmen but every time Del Monaco comes on he just bawls his head off in appalling French. Still available.

    The VSO with Simionato was a radio broadcast recording and has a limited circulation..
    I've only found on print B0041KUO5Q and B00000425U for Schippers' Carmen, but none for Karajan's first studio recoding in Vienna.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    I've only found on print B0041KUO5Q and B00000425U for Schippers' Carmen, but none for Karajan's first studio recoding in Vienna.


    I note Amazon saying Karajan / Price unavailable. I recently saw it in a second hand shop for under £5 which was annoying as I already had it. I love a bargain!

    Just listening to the Karajan 1954 Vienna. it is quite different from his later Vienna with Price. So much for tin-eared critics who say he conducted everything the same! Gedda is a revelation - quite superb in the first two acts although his lyric tenor lacks some heft for the last half. I wouldn't put it above the Karajan / Price but it is certainly a very vital performance.
    Last edited by DavidA; Jun-03-2018 at 20:57.

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