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    Apart from Tchaikovsky & Prokofiev, there is for example also Berlioz' Roméo et Juliette, which he called 'a dramatic symphony'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TxllxT View Post
    Perhaps I've overlooked the threads on TC, but am I right that no attention is being given to ballet DVDs and ballet music as such? When I'm right, shouldn't it be the task of the operalovers to take care of this child from the opera (ballet has sprung out of French opera, hasn't it)? Operahouses do put ballet as well on stage next to opera, don't they? And there a lot of ballet DVDs around....
    Not too long ago, I proposed to the site administrators the creation of a ballet subforum. They said there wasn't enough interest from the members to justify its creation. I argued that the offer might create the demand, since I've experienced the impulse of reviewing a couple of ballet DVDs but ended up not doing it for lack of an appropriate venue. Still, they said they didn't see how the subforum would grow since there has been a very, very small number of ballet posts. Then, I dropped the idea.

    What you could start, though, if you want to give it a try, would be a ballet thread in the Classical Music Discussion forum. Maybe you should do that and start posting your reviews there (I'd be likely to join) and then if lots of people join as well and we can demonstrate a need, the administrators will likely see it more favorably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almaviva View Post
    Not too long ago, I proposed to the site administrators the creation of a ballet subforum. They said there wasn't enough interest from the members to justify its creation. I argued that the offer might create the demand, since I've experienced the impulse of reviewing a couple of ballet DVDs but ended up not doing it for lack of an appropriate venue. Still, they said they didn't see how the subforum would grow since there has been a very, very small number of ballet posts. Then, I dropped the idea.

    What you could start, though, if you want to give it a try, would be a ballet thread in the Classical Music Discussion forum. Maybe you should do that and start posting your reviews there (I'd be likely to join) and then if lots of people join as well and we can demonstrate a need, the administrators will likely see it more favorably.
    When the summer gets really hot I will give it a try inbetween our visits to the beach

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    Maybe the Opera on CD thread would be a better venue for this post, but what I'll say has to do with my longstanding effort to patronize visual media for my opera fix.

    After the listening experience that I will describe below, I was *shocked* by what I may be missing for not relying more on opera recordings on CD.

    I heard for the first time in my life the applauded Solti Ring, with the Wiener Philharmoniker and great singers such as Birgit Nilsson, Wolfgang Windgassen, and Hans Hotter.

    Oh! My! God!

    It completely *destroyed* everything that I had heard before in the matter of the Ring. My contact with the Ring has been almost exclusively through DVDs, with four complete versions in visual media and some CD recordings of highlights.

    The Solti Ring is simply phenomenal! I didn't even know that the Ring - my very favorite operatic work - could give me even more pleasure, could sound this unbelievably beautiful! I mean, I know it is beautiful... it is not my favorite opera(s) for nothing. But *this* beautiful?

    The energy, the force, the resonance... The brass... I can't stop thinking of the brass! The work came alive with such force that I found myself not missing the visual aspects at all. And the singers! After Nilsson's Brünhilde, the other Brünhildes on DVD get hard to stomach.

    At the end, I was frustrated.

    I've always known that by privileging DVDs and Blu-rays I'm not getting the full operatic experience because many historical recordings by the best singers are not available on visual media.

    But I hadn't fully realized the magnitude of what I've been missing until this Solti Ring.

    I'm frustrated because I just can't afford to double my relatively large collection of opera DVDs/blu-rays (about 280 by now) with as many CD recordings.

    Of course I could at least by a select few great works on CD.

    But I know that if I really start on this slippery slope, I won't stop. It may be too late already for me anyway, since the Solti Ring may have contaminated me forever with the CD-buying bug.
    "J'ai dit qu'il ne suffisait pas d'entendre la musique, mais qu'il fallait encore la voir" (Stravinsky)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almaviva View Post
    The energy, the force, the resonance... The brass... I can't stop thinking of the brass! The work came alive with such force that I found myself not missing the visual aspects at all. And the singers! After Nilsson's Brünhilde, the other Brünhildes on DVD get hard to stomach.
    Solti's brass is damn sexy. Also, speaking of visuals and the Birgit Nilsson; have you seen this clip? Hi-larious.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Almaviva View Post
    I've always known that by privileging DVDs and Blu-rays I'm not getting the full operatic experience because many historical recordings by the best singers are not available on visual media...

    ..I'm frustrated because I just can't afford to double my relatively large collection of opera DVDs/blu-rays (about 280 by now) with as many CD recordings.

    Of course I could at least by a select few great works on CD.

    But I know that if I really start on this slippery slope, I won't stop. It may be too late already for me anyway, since the Solti Ring may have contaminated me forever with the CD-buying bug.
    Join the (poverty) club!
    Ann

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    Once you're hooked on Solti another temptation is awaiting:


    Voices from the Solti (and Karajan) ring, but with the magically refined conducting of Leinsdorf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TxllxT View Post
    Once you're hooked on Solti another temptation is awaiting:


    Voices from the Solti (and Karajan) ring, but with the magically refined conducting of Leinsdorf.
    Oh no! Please stop!
    [Alma hears a loud explosion - it's his bank account]
    "J'ai dit qu'il ne suffisait pas d'entendre la musique, mais qu'il fallait encore la voir" (Stravinsky)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almaviva View Post
    Maybe the Opera on CD thread would be a better venue for this post, but what I'll say has to do with my longstanding effort to patronize visual media for my opera fix.

    After the listening experience that I will describe below, I was *shocked* by what I may be missing for not relying more on opera recordings on CD.

    I heard for the first time in my life the applauded Solti Ring, with the Wiener Philharmoniker and great singers such as Birgit Nilsson, Wolfgang Windgassen, and Hans Hotter.

    Oh! My! God!

    It completely *destroyed* everything that I had heard before in the matter of the Ring. My contact with the Ring has been almost exclusively through DVDs, with four complete versions in visual media and some CD recordings of highlights.

    The Solti Ring is simply phenomenal! I didn't even know that the Ring - my very favorite operatic work - could give me even more pleasure, could sound this unbelievably beautiful! I mean, I know it is beautiful... it is not my favorite opera(s) for nothing. But *this* beautiful?

    The energy, the force, the resonance... The brass... I can't stop thinking of the brass! The work came alive with such force that I found myself not missing the visual aspects at all. And the singers! After Nilsson's Brünhilde, the other Brünhildes on DVD get hard to stomach.

    At the end, I was frustrated.

    I've always known that by privileging DVDs and Blu-rays I'm not getting the full operatic experience because many historical recordings by the best singers are not available on visual media.

    But I hadn't fully realized the magnitude of what I've been missing until this Solti Ring.

    I'm frustrated because I just can't afford to double my relatively large collection of opera DVDs/blu-rays (about 280 by now) with as many CD recordings.

    Of course I could at least by a select few great works on CD.

    But I know that if I really start on this slippery slope, I won't stop. It may be too late already for me anyway, since the Solti Ring may have contaminated me forever with the CD-buying bug.
    Inspired by your enthusiasm I requested that my local library buy the Solti Ring (they have other versions but not that one)

    And there was great rejoicing! They've agreed. And I'm first in the queue.
    Natalie

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    OK, I'm bored again.
    It happens to me periodically.
    Help!
    Please suggest a VERY, VERY, VERY good opera to me that I don't know yet, on DVD/blu-ray.
    I mean, I don't want just some reasonably entertaining obscure thing.
    I want *it*!
    By *it* I mean something of the caliber of some recent (for me) outstanding surprises like Die Frau Ohne Schatten, Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk District, or The Makropulos Case. Or L'Alidoro. I mean, real *masterpieces* in spite of the fact that they are not as famous and popular as the ABC (Aida, Bohème, Carmen).
    So, off the beaten path. But *really* good.
    Suggestions?
    "J'ai dit qu'il ne suffisait pas d'entendre la musique, mais qu'il fallait encore la voir" (Stravinsky)

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    Have you seen this:



    I watched again and I think it IS very very good.
    Natalie

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    But... but... according to Amazon.com reviews, it's boob-free. I forgot to mention that I'd like an opera production that is boob-rich.
    "J'ai dit qu'il ne suffisait pas d'entendre la musique, mais qu'il fallait encore la voir" (Stravinsky)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almaviva View Post
    But... but... according to Amazon.com reviews, it's boob-free. I forgot to mention that I'd like an opera production that is boob-rich.
    For heaven's sake Inger Dam-Jensen HAS boobs. She's just not flapping them around, is all.
    Natalie

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamascarlatti View Post
    For heaven's sake Inger Dam-Jensen HAS boobs. She's just not flapping them around, is all.
    I know but according to Amazon.com the cover is a fake. That image doesn't happen in the production. It's just to entice the poor boob-lovers like me, just to then deeply disappoint us.

    Me likes boobs when the owner flaps them around.
    "J'ai dit qu'il ne suffisait pas d'entendre la musique, mais qu'il fallait encore la voir" (Stravinsky)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almaviva View Post
    But... but... according to Amazon.com reviews, it's boob-free. I forgot to mention that I'd like an opera production that is boob-rich.
    If I get time today I'll make you a copy of Anna Nicole. That should satisfy your requirements.

    Ann

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