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    Default Darker side of Vivaldi

    I suppose the overplayed and over-sweetened renditions of the Four Seasons are to blame for the general view of Vivaldi as being cheerful etc.

    Let me change your views a little bit:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVh78k2ZzYk

    I suppose this late piece is neither cheerful nor does it sound like the Four Seasons, does it?

    I also notice his late works are becoming darker and more dynamic. Also, I think the key to discovering Vivaldi as much underrated are good performances. Most of them will give you this cheerful, oversweetened feel. However, consider Giuseppe Carmignola:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IMT1j-rE2E

    Apart from Carmignola giving you the proper violin, I hugely admire Trevor Pinnock for his harpsichord as well as conducting (yes, he does this rare combination). Perhaps you would like to take a listen on his rendition of "La Notte" - again one of the darker pieces:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A29r8oZ6qC4

    Since I made the discoveries mentioned above, I noticed that Vivaldi is unique in a way. He turned out to be a very keen observer of sound - not only music, but also the everyday sounds - flies flying by bottlenecks etc. as well as birds, frogs and other things. I have the impression that his music is the power of nature rising at his command - which has nothing to do with the oversweetened look forced on his reception by the mass culture...

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    Thanks for this, will check it out. Classical music is timeless, you can forever discover and explore.

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    Default Viivaldi - Four Seasons

    What exactly is that ? That's our Cmas program this year . What is Baroque music for Cmas ?

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    Hi Christi,

    This is a little bit about Vivaldi's Four Seasons.

    This is an excerpt of Spring, if you want to hear any classical music you can always go to you tube.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSw7CcAXPWk

    If you have any more questions please ask, there are many people here who can help.


    Margaret

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    Has anyone here been to one of his programs ?

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    Vivaldi, himself? Hardly ... he died in 1741

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krummhorn View Post
    Vivaldi, himself?* Hardly ... he died in 1741
    You know what I meant .

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    Hi Christi.
    That's quite good news about your Christmas program. I trust you will take the trouble to go and hear these pieces of wonderful music.
    I case you don't know 'The Four Seasons' in this instance is a set of four concertos for solo violin and string orchestra. That means that a soloist will stand infront of a small orchestra consisting of Violins, violas (like violiins but a bit bigger) celli (the plural of cello) and double basses, and play a difficult piece of music. The orchestra will play sometimes simple accompaniment and other times will play some thing that souds like the music that the soloist plays.
    Each concerto is made up of three seperate 'movements' and last about 12-15 minutes
    so it will take about an hour to play the whole 'cycle'. They were written over 300 years ago by a very famous Italian composer Called Antonio Vivaldi. He was a preist who taught music at an all girls school in Venice. He had masses of flowing red hair which earned him the nick-name 'The Red Preist". He wrote hundreds of concertos for various instruments, usually for girls under his supervision at the school. He found a very useful formula for his concertos consisting of 3 movements (fast-slow-fast) and was sometimes accused of not writing 400 different concertos but of writing 1 concerto 400 times.
    Whatever you make of them, they are a delight to listen to and stil as lively as they were 300 years ago!
    Happy listening Christi
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    [QUOTE Each concerto is made up of three seperate 'movements' and last about 12-15 minutes so it will take about an hour to play the whole 'cycle'. They were written over 300 years ago by a very famous Italian composer Called Antonio Vivaldi. He was a preist who taught music at an all girls school in Venice. He had masses of flowing red hair which earned him the nick-name 'The Red Preist". He wrote hundreds of concertos for various instruments, usually for girls under his supervision at the school. He found a very useful formula for his concertos consisting of 3 movements (fast-slow-fast) and was sometimes accused of not writing 400 different concertos but of writing 1 concerto 400 times.[/QUOTE] What's a movement ?

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    In classical music works are often made up of several short pieces that are meant to be played one after the other with only a short pause in between. The audience generally doesn't clap in these pauses but waits till the end of the whole piece, reserving his appreciation for the end. These short sections are called Movements and are usually like complete pieces which can be played separately if the performer wants. A concerto usually has three movements and a dymphony generally has four. These are not rules and you can sometimes find exceptions like Mahler (German composer of the late romantic era he lived from 1860 till 1911) who wrote nine complete symphonies some of which have more than four movements and last for over an hour!
    Did you get a chance to listen to The Four Seasons, or at least some of them?
    What was your impression?
    Was the soloist up to the task?
    Were they playing on modern instruments?
    Who was conducting?
    Who was the soloist?
    Did you find anything else out about Vivaldi?
    Did you find pictures of Venice, Italy on the internet?
    Christi, try answering these in a paragraph with out using copy and paste or 'quote' and we'll continue from here.
    Cheers
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    Did you get a chance to listen to The Four Seasons, or at least some of them? Yes What was your impression? Some were good Was the soloist up to the task? Were they playing on modern instruments? Who was conducting? Who was the soloist? Did you find anything else out about Vivaldi? No Did you find pictures of Venice, Italy on the internet?
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    No Fergus, there are no goats on this forum.

    Christi, to go or not is your decision, but you might miss something enjoyable, and if you want to learn about classical music the best way is to listen to it. And a live concert is the best way, at least afterwards you will know if you like it or not.


    Margaret

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    Quote Originally Posted by marval View Post
    No Fergus, there are no goats on this forum.Christi, to go or not is your decision, but you might miss something enjoyable, and if you want to learn about classical music the best way is to listen to it.* And a live concert is the best way, at least afterwards you will know if you like it or not.Margaret
    I don't guess watching a taped rehearsl or " program " counts ???

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    Hi Christi,

    I don't think you would get the same feeling, but watching taped is better than not watching it at all. It is just seeing a concert live gives you something just listening or watching taped doesn't, it gives you atmosphere, and a feel of what the music is really about. But you must decide what you want to do.


    Margaret

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    I've just listened to two of Vivaldi's Guitar Concertos & they are great! I enjoy them much better than The Four Seasons, because they are not so hackneyed. The slow movements are serene & calm. I think that there is plenty of emotion in this type of music, you just have to listen a bit more perceptively & not simply treat it as background music, like the ads do. It's a pity he's been done to death in this way, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying some of his music, especially the works other than The Four Seasons...

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