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  • Prokofiev for the win by a lot

    22 19.30%
  • Prokofiev for the win, but barely

    24 21.05%
  • It's a tie / Don't ask me

    28 24.56%
  • Shostakovich for the win, but barely

    23 20.18%
  • Shostakovich for the win by a lot

    17 14.91%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahlerian View Post
    By one single vote. That's barely even a plurality.

    Anyway, my preference is for Prokofiev by some margin.
    It was by 4 when I counted. Still looks as DSCH has it, as partial to Prokofiev as you may be.

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    Just got an e-mail from Dmitri. He says he'll throw a big party for us all if he wins this poll.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilarion View Post
    Prokofiev has his good sides, no doubt about it...But imho he is the 20th century Beethoven.
    In what way? Is that supposed to be a bad thing?
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    OK, here's a bizzare one:
    • Shosty's stuff live moves me to tears
    • Prokofiev has more plays in iTunes by a large margin


    I prefer Shostakovich works by a large margin "live and in person" -- they really seem to challenge and highlight virtuosity and talent for me, but if I'm "just listening," I struggle with enjoying it near as much.

    No clue how I should really vote!

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    Quote Originally Posted by musicrom View Post
    In what way? Is that supposed to be a bad thing?
    It was my way of saying that some of Prokofiev's oeuvre are terrific imho, but I'm not totally sold on that he surpasses Shostakovich...

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    I don't know. Maybe Prokofiev, by a tiny bit? I voted for the middle option.
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    Shostakovich for Symps 6,7,8,10 and SQ 8, and concertos. Anything with the DSCH motive is interesting. Prokoviev has some wonderful pieces but he does come in 2nd. (btw, he died within hours of Stalin and it was kept quiet because it might have taken some of the attention away the 'leader'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugue Meister View Post
    It was by 4 when I counted. Still looks as DSCH has it, as partial to Prokofiev as you may be.
    Well, Bieber has it, if you wanna go down that road...

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    I'm still perplexed why pitching composers against each other is such a popular thing?
    Makes no sense to me, seems like such a cheap way of trying to say something interesting without having any substance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptr View Post
    I'm still perplexed why pitching composers against each other is such a popular thing?
    Makes no sense to me, seems like such a cheap way of trying to say something interesting without having any substance.

    /ptr
    I think you answered your own question
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    I generally think of Shosty and Prokofiev as very different composers, though they have several individual works that are similar in many respects (in part because Shosty was such a suggestible personality and open to direct influence from his great contemporary). My favorite comparison is the 2 composers' 1st violin sonatas, where Prokofiev's influence is very apparent in Shosty's piece:

    Prokofiev: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmKCbkvLm-o (Oistrakh & Oborin)
    Shosty: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZCx...298D757613B5D2 (Oistrakh & Richter)

    When I'm not actually listening to them, I often confuse what material comes from which sonata!

    I'm also struck by the similarity in mood and style in their 2nd piano sonatas:

    Prokofiev: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTmFsk1Xujo (Richter)
    Shostakovich: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfT5I-fbqMs (Gilels)

    Their more famous and representative works tend to sound much more different from each other, of course, but it's interesting to think of the ways in which they both contributed to a (for me) incredibly infectious period style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blancrocher View Post
    I generally think of Shosty and Prokofiev as very different composers, though they have several individual works that are similar in many respects (in part because Shosty was such a suggestible personality and open to direct influence from his great contemporary). My favorite comparison is the 2 composers' 1st violin sonatas, where Prokofiev's influence is very apparent in Shosty's piece:

    When I'm not actually listening to them, I often confuse what material comes from which sonata!
    Quoting the last line of an essay on the Prokofiev sonata by Gregory Karl: "[Prokofiev] might have taken special comfort in the words of his younger contemporary, Shostakovich, who, long after his death, standing transfixed on a wooded road and hearing the strains of this sonata from the terrace of a nearby cottage, was moved to say: 'What wonderful music Sergei Sergeyevitch wrote, wonderful music'." (Quoted in Elizabeth Wilson, Shostakovich: A Life Remembered, p. 313.) So, we know Shostakovich specifically praised Prokofiev's sonata. Nevertheless, I don't think your conclusion is right. There are similarities in texture (bare octaves in the piano) and mood, but the language (sporadically 12-tone(ish) in Shostakovich's case) really has very little in common. And the Prokofiev is virtually monothematic, a set of variations, whereas the Shostakovich is quite discursive. More important though, Shostakovich is writing in his natural idiom whereas the Prokofiev is truly exceptional in his output; Its dark and concentrated intensity and stark textures are like virtually nothing else he wrote. It is the Prokofiev, therefore, that sounds like Shostakovich and not the other way around! Not that I am suggesting he was influenced by Shostakovich. No, I just think you picked one of the few works by Prokofiev that happens to have more in common with Shostakovich's style.

    I think you have a better case with the piano sonatas. That I can hear, although I don't know the Shostakovich as well as I know the Prokofiev.
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    impossible question, as with most of this ranking that many seem to enjoy.
    Recently started discovering Prokfiev's ballets and enjoying them a lot. And that's what makes classical music great; periodic highs.
    Prokofiev's ballets now, Corelli next and then Schonberg and Webern. And then ofcourse back to Bach.
    All good and fun, those lists, but variety is where it's at.

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    Good choice. As between Gulag joints in that or other place. Whatever you like. Are your masochists, people? Be ethical in your choice. At least.

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    Much fonder of Prokofiev. He's fresh and bracing, and his work is filled with some of the most amazingly original, quirky, fresh, magical, uncanny, unpredictably harmonized melodies ever invented. Music like that cannot be understood or accounted for. Of course his originality doesn't stop there. Romantic yet ironic, witty but not cheap, concise - qualities I like.

    Some of my favorite musical works, particularly the ballets and concertos, are by Prokofiev. None of my favorite works are by Shostakovich, who I'm sometimes impressed and moved by but whose deadly seriousness I find too often heavy-handed, vulgar, and grim. I do rather like his Preludes and Fugues, but not his quartets.

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