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  • Prokofiev for the win by a lot

    22 19.30%
  • Prokofiev for the win, but barely

    24 21.05%
  • It's a tie / Don't ask me

    28 24.56%
  • Shostakovich for the win, but barely

    23 20.18%
  • Shostakovich for the win by a lot

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Thread: Shostakovich vs. Prokofiev

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    I suppose I would have to choose Prokofiev, but they are very close for me. Two of my all-time favorite composers. But after listening to Romeo and Juliet and Prokofiev's symphonies recently, I'm convinced he's my favorite of the two.
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    "Winning"....hmmm....?

    I'd say that it's not a competition, and I like both, for different reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    Much fonder of Prokofiev. He's fresh and bracing, and his work is filled with some of the most amazingly original, quirky, fresh, magical, uncanny, unpredictably harmonized melodies ever invented. Music like that cannot be understood or accounted for. Of course his originality doesn't stop there. Romantic yet ironic, witty but not cheap, concise - qualities I like.
    What a wonderful description!
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    I don't think it has been said in this thread yet that one of them was a consistently amazing waltz & other dance composer, second only to Tchaikovsky, and a more imaginative modernist experimentator. There is something in his music for everyone: the "accessibility" spectrum is very broad, and the emotional contents are broad as well.

    The other has nothing in particular going for him in comparison to other composers of his time, or of any other time. He is heavy-handed and boring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabulin View Post
    I don't think it has been said in this thread yet that one of them was a consistently amazing waltz & other dance composer, second only to Tchaikovsky, and a more imaginative modernist experimentator. There is something in his music for everyone: the "accessibility" spectrum is very broad, and the emotional contents are broad as well.

    The other has nothing in particular going for him in comparison to other composers of his time, or of any other time. He is heavy-handed and boring.
    Yes, but you don't say which is which!

    I'm interested in this notion that DSCH is 'heavy-handed'. Whilst I can hear 'heavy' in his symphonies, 'doom-laden' or 'dreadful' (as in full of dread, not in a pejorative sense) too, I don't get heavy-handed. 'Long-winded' may be, or just slow (I'm thinking of the 11th Symphony, for example). He wrote what he wrote for the two audiences he had to satisfy, and for the time. Sergei didn't live in the USSR so didn't face the same predicament as DSCH.
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    I suspect that Shostakovich is at the pinnacle of his popularity. He is currently wildly overrated. There are pieces of his that I love and rever but so much more seems expendable to me. Prokofiev's current position in our affections seems more or less a good reflection of his worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthusiast View Post
    I suspect that Shostakovich is at the pinnacle of his popularity. He is currently wildly overrated.
    That's what my father said 50 years ago.

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    I chose Prokofiev but barely. I nearly did Prokofiev by a lot but I couldn't quite bring myself to do it. It's somewhere between barely and a lot. Shostakovich is a composer who I like the idea of much more than I actually like the music. He is also a composer - there are a few others : not many - whose most ardent supporters tend to become very energised if he is criticised as if it is some sort of personal criticism. That puts me off even more. I can only think of one example where I have managed to get through such a fan club for a composer with all of its attacks and defences and still find that I quite like him. Who? Mahler.
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    ^ That more of less covers my feelings about Shostakovich (and Mahler), too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog View Post
    That's what my father said 50 years ago.
    Wisdom of age? My parents quite liked Shostakovich - in fact, my dad introduced me to his music when I was 11 or 12 - and I went on to explore much of his music (i'm in my 60s now). There are definitely quite a number of masterpieces (many of the quartets, a few of the symphonies, the violin and the cello concertos, the Preludes and Fugues) but an awful lot that just doesn't quite make it. Obviously this is a personal opinion but I do feel that in another 50 years we will have a collectively clearer picture of where he stands. The current adulation seems to me to be almost an insult to so much of our greatest music.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthusiast View Post
    There are definitely quite a number of masterpieces (many of the quartets, a few of the symphonies, the violin and the cello concertos, the Preludes and Fugues) but an awful lot that just doesn't quite make it.
    I agree with the above but have a different take on it. Although there is a lot of Shostakovich music that doesn't pass muster such as the dreadful Festive Overture, his many wonderful masterpieces easily puts him among my top ten composers. He was a 20th century treasure and will remain so indefinitely.

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