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    I know this was posted ages ago, but could you write the song names?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mra8698 View Post
    Have you listened to any kind of tech death, or 'technical death metal'? A band I've been getting into lately, called Allegaeon has a couple of 'classical' guitar pieces on the acoustic and they meld them with the metal. The song I'm talking about is called Appassionata Ex Machinea. Here's a link if you want to check it out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hucg-Ru-Zgk There's also a band called Revocation and their lead guitarist/vocalist started off by playing jazz guitar before he'd even heard of metal. Now he's in one of the best tech death/thrash crossover bands that I've ever listened to. He uses a wide variety of jazz chords and odd tempos and what not, you should definitely check them out too. Metal isn't just about brute force, there is definitely some beauty and technical ability involved.
    most of tech death is cliched bs.

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    This 'music' reminds me of something... Oh yes, garbage.
    Funny enough that you like Krallice... both bands are Mick Barr projects...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mra8698 View Post
    Have you listened to any kind of tech death, or 'technical death metal'? A band I've been getting into lately, called Allegaeon has a couple of 'classical' guitar pieces on the acoustic and they meld them with the metal. The song I'm talking about is called Appassionata Ex Machinea. Here's a link if you want to check it out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hucg-Ru-Zgk There's also a band called Revocation and their lead guitarist/vocalist started off by playing jazz guitar before he'd even heard of metal. Now he's in one of the best tech death/thrash crossover bands that I've ever listened to. He uses a wide variety of jazz chords and odd tempos and what not, you should definitely check them out too. Metal isn't just about brute force, there is definitely some beauty and technical ability involved.
    a problem I have with a lot of metal today is that is too much about technical ability. Look how fast I can play that. Hey look how many time signatures can I change in few bars. Even the fact that there's a genre called "technical death metal" says a lot about this, as if the fact that the music is hard to play is a merit.
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    All modern music has its roots from classical music. I am certain that people convert from country music, jazz or others to classcial music as well. Heavy metal is an unlikely conversion and it seems to be extreme with classical music. However, if this is an established trend, let people convert to it. Maybe they have found themselves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by norman bates View Post
    a problem I have with a lot of metal today is that is too much about technical ability. Look how fast I can play that. Hey look how many time signatures can I change in few bars. Even the fact that there's a genre called "technical death metal" says a lot about this, as if the fact that the music is hard to play is a merit.
    There is nothing wrong about high technicality itself, but it becomes practically irrelevant when everything else is boring, rehashed ****...

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    Check This . Rachel Barton Pine Talking About Connection Of Metal And Classical.
    http://www.classicfm.com/artists/rac...olo-on-violin/

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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    It's not the case for myself. I can't stand metal music. I grew up with progressive rock, and Led Zeppelin. Yes, I know Zeppelin gets labeled an early metal band, but I disagree. They were coming from blues and folk influences.
    I can't stand metal either
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    I remember seeing Rachel Barton at a punk or hard-core show in a Chicago club in the early 90s. I can't remember but she has good taste.

    Metal and classical both have viceral appeal to me - different than jazz and rock which I like also. Preference is the indie - stoner metal, not the speed metal and techno. Kyuss is the original, weedpecker, Monolord, Montgofliere, and GWAR shows were as good as it gets for live entertainment

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    Well it's about as diverse as classical is:


    https://mapofmetal.com/

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    The link between metal and classical? The Beatles White Album. Helter Skelter is considered by some the first metal song, and you have Piggies, a pseudo-classical song, on the same album.
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    I'm not going to comment on the theoretical similarities of the two genres since both are so diverse. Two things in common between a lot of the Metal musicians and Classical composers that I like are their meticulous and 'anything goes' kind of approach to composition and their inclination toward airtight escapist/otherworldly aesthetics.

    Examples:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjZqoxQP8Bw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy4I6pxMefY

    I would be happy to listen to the second track when I'm in the mood for something like Mahler's second symphony.

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    Here are my 2 cents (and my first post here)...

    First, I don't think the connection is the complexity of the music. Metal is an heir of hard rock which is a heir of blues which is a subgenre of jazz. Therefore metal and jazz share some traits which are not common for pop music: whereas pop is focused on a singer who sings a song and has some accompaniment; jazz and metal/hardrock are focused on all musicians equally so also all musicians are given space to play solos and exhibit their technical abilities.

    Yet there is some connection between classical and metal/hardrock for which Beethoven is famous (often is said that Beethoven is the 'hard rock' composer of classical music): think of the famous intro of Beethoven's 5th Symphony (ta-ta-ta-TAAAAA) which is very powerful, dark, ominous. Traditional pop doesn't have these dramatic sounds (but is characteristically cheerful and uptempo for dancing or sad and slow for crying/drinking), but hard rock strives for exactly that symphonic dramatic impact. Especially metal can also be very theatrical which reminds one of opera.

    Conclusion: metal resembles classical (symphonic/orchestral) music for aiming at a dramatic, overwhelming impact ('wall of sound'), but musically it resembles jazz and not classical music.

    PS. My favorite death metal (or grind core) band, The Red Chord, took its name from Berg's opera Wozzeck so there is a connection anyway! And for some reason its (jazzy-infused) frenetic music reminds me of Beethoven's beautifully frenetic String Quartet No. 11...
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    Do anyone have a metal song with tonality harmonics? I would be interesting :-)
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    I am a classical singer, sing in a metal band and am a Voice Instructor. I was raised on metal such as Judas Priest and Iron Maiden. Both singers use classical techniques in their singing. Thus has made classical singing in metal popular. In my band; symphonic metal band Aria Flame; I sing both pop and classical vocals in it and we've performed in Europe where its very popular there. I am sure there are more insights than why its popular but coming from the genre itself, that is my opinion on it.

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