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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sound Of Perseverance View Post
    i love all of you guys! that is all i have to say
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    What puzzles me most about this popular question / notion is why any connection is sought or supposedly found in the first place.

    Metal is flat out youth culture rock 'n' roll, a thing unto itself, and as that 'thing unto itself' I would think the least desirable spin on it would be in striving to go out of its way to become thought of as 'all dressed up.'

    Why people want or need to think it has any connection to 'classical music' is I think a matter of a kind of pretentiousness usually associated with the more insular classical fan who is also concerned about their identity and social / intellectual prestige as connected with another genre of music which is after all just music, but of another ilk.

    That strained connection of group identity and social prestige some assign to any particular genre of music is perhaps the only real connection.
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    Well, there are some notable metal players who have been interested by classical music and influenced by it. For example the Randy Rhoads riff in Ozzy's song Diary of a Madman, was inspired by Leo Brouwer's Simple Study No. 6, the connection there is quite obvious. I think that classical musicians have a reputation of high skill and instrumental virtuosity, these elements I think are important to most metal musicians, and perhaps that is why they often seek some classical training in an effort to increase their skills.

    I think such training generally makes these musicians better too and it shows in their playing. So, personally I would encourage metal musicians to branch out and explore other genres of music like classical. At the same time I find it not surprising at all that so many classical music enthusiasts show little to no interest in metal and seek to distance themselves from it.

    For many classical fans I think it is truly just a distaste for heavy metal that causes this, in some cases it is also sheer ignorance and what often goes along with ignorance is a sense of feeling threatened somehow by it, which I think is completely unnecessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by violadude View Post
    This is more or less the kind of metal/rock/whatever that I like the most.



    Now, what do YOU think about it?
    Interesting piece. I like most of it, with the exception of the drumming, which periodically changes from one repetitive pattern to the next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by violadude View Post
    This is more or less the kind of metal/rock/whatever that I like the most.



    Now, what do YOU think about it?
    That was pretty good. There's actual musical thinking there. The only objection I have is that too many of the textural transitions are 'panel-like' and static rather than continuous and developmental, but there are many interesting build-ups, like in the first minutes. I guess it would be silly to ask from my part a 100% classical thinking in that.
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    [yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzlyFk2T6zg[/yt]
    metal vocals are hard to beat this is tim Aymar as the singer if you can match up any classical singer to him ill just give you another
    death metal and classical music enthusiast

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sound Of Perseverance View Post
    i love all of you guys! that is all i have to say
    I like to clarify that I don't dislike metal at all. It's not really my thing at the moment but that might change. I only have a problem with the so called connection between metal and classical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sound Of Perseverance View Post
    metal vocals are hard to beat this is tim Aymar as the singer if you can match up any classical singer to him ill just give you another
    I prefer even Mustaine. Seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by norman bates View Post
    I prefer even Mustaine. Seriously.
    are you high? no just no......
    death metal and classical music enthusiast

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piwikiwi View Post
    I like to clarify that I don't dislike metal at all. It's not really my thing at the moment but that might change. I only have a problem with the so called connection between metal and classical.
    thats alright you don't have to like it
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sound Of Perseverance View Post
    are you high? no just no......
    Sometimes, older than fourteen or sixteen might be perceived as 'being high,' but.... :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sound Of Perseverance View Post
    [yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzlyFk2T6zg[/yt]
    metal vocals are hard to beat this is tim Aymar as the singer if you can match up any classical singer to him ill just give you another
    Go listen to the "Die Hoelle Rache" aria from Mozart's The Magic Flute - especially sung by Lucia Popp, if you can find it - and show me one metal vocalist that could hold a candle to it. Then we'll talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrMike View Post
    Go listen to the "Die Hoelle Rache" aria from Mozart's The Magic Flute - especially sung by Lucia Popp, if you can find it - and show me one metal vocalist that could hold a candle to it. Then we'll talk.
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    Ok I'll do that!
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    Double post. Double post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrMike View Post
    Go listen to the "Die Hoelle Rache" aria from Mozart's The Magic Flute - especially sung by Lucia Popp, if you can find it - and show me one metal vocalist that could hold a candle to it. Then we'll talk.
    This desperately needs another qualifying phrase, "and without using any means of amplification."

    Me, I would've suggested Lulu's death scream when her throat has just been slashed by Jack the Ripper and the orchestral accompaniment is a tutti ninety-foot tall vertical harmony made up of all twelve tones of the chromatic scale. Which recording is critical, some sopranos just letting out a brief squeal, others a prolonged blood-curdling jump-right-out-of-your-skin full-throated scream like to that of a mountain lion. (Berg, Lulu; final scene of act III)
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