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    Quote Originally Posted by amfortas View Post
    Wagner was egotistical verging on madness. But unlike the overwhelming majority of such cases, he had the talent to back it up.
    I think the film conveyed this quite well - that he was in a sense RIGHT about his own talent. I'd still never want to meet him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamascarlatti View Post
    I think the film conveyed this quite well - that he was in a sense RIGHT about his own talent. I'd still never want to meet him.
    They say he could be very amusing in company--doing tricks, standing on his head.

    But then again, it sort of reminds me of the old Nazi's line from The Producers: "You know, not many people knew it, but the Führer was a terrific dancer."

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    I often entertain this bit of silly fantasy: I'd get a time machine and would fish out from the past the major opera composers, would yank them out of their lives and bring them to my family room, fire up my home theater, and show to them in 1080p, blu-ray High Def and 7.1 DTS Master sound what's been done of their works.

    I'd say to Wagner - "Sir, you're certainly a f......g a...hole, but oh boy, you sure can compose! You are a megalomaniac, you're despicable, you suffer from severe narcissistic personality disorder with antisocial traits, but it turns out that in spite of your overblown high opinion of yourself, well, cough cough, we all do have have a high opinion of your music."

    With Rossini I'd open some good wines and serve some good food and we'd laugh a lot and talk about how pleasure is important and how we should relax and enjoy life.

    With Mozart and Handel... I don't know, my extreme admiration might stun me so much that I wouldn't be able to say anything. Flies would get into my open mouth.

    But I'd really love to chat with Verdi. I feel that with Verdi I'd be able to talk about Italian traditions and civilization, about the way the world has been evolving lately (not good), about more fundamental ideas like the sense of one's life and the role of music in it. I'd have profound respect for Verdi and would address him like I used to address my beloved father (who was also Italian).

    Finally, I'd love to bring Berlioz back, and tell him, "Sir, in your lifetime people did not realize your grandeur and your genius, but now in the 21st century, we do. Don't worry about all that backstabbing at Paris Opéra; forget about that guy Meyerbeer. You're the best, sir, and by the way, that Les Troyens that you were never able to see fully staged in your lifetime is a major hit now. Well done, sir!"

    I'd also like to say to Beethoven: "Sir, relax about Fidelio, it is just fine, I'm telling you! Don't worry about redoing it over and over, you sir are amazing, but you gotta have a bit of self-confidence. We do love Fidelio centuries later, and we think all four overtures you've tried could work well, but thank you anyway for giving us some choice. And by the way, no, it wasn't a failure, and you could have perfectly composed other operas after this one, we'd have loved it!"
    "J'ai dit qu'il ne suffisait pas d'entendre la musique, mais qu'il fallait encore la voir" (Stravinsky)

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    Along the same lines . . . I'd say to Alban Berg: "I wish you'd lived long enough to give us a few more."
    Last edited by amfortas; Aug-08-2011 at 20:17.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amfortas View Post
    Along the same lines . . . I'd say to Alban Berg: "I wish you'd lived long enough to give us a few more."


    I'd say to Monteverdi: "Look after your manuscripts, man. A place for everything and everything in its place. Preferably somewhere which is going to be inviolate but accessible for the next 400 years."
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    I don't speak Italian, so I'd need a very persuasive interpreter, to say to Verdi: "Come on, finish King Lear. Don't be afraid of Lear's madness on the heath--you can write it. Don't worry about what singers are available; there'll be singers who can do it, however you write it.

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    Verdi Duecento

    It has been reported that the government won't fund any celebrations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sospiro View Post
    Verdi Duecento

    It has been reported that the government won't fund any celebrations.

    This is a shame. I was planning to attend.
    I liked this quote from that page:
    "To the world, as to the nation he helped to found, Verdi left an enduring legacy of music, charity, patriotism, honour, grace, and reason. He was and remains a mighty force for continuing good."
    "J'ai dit qu'il ne suffisait pas d'entendre la musique, mais qu'il fallait encore la voir" (Stravinsky)

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    Quote Originally Posted by amfortas View Post
    On Wagner: It all stemmed from an overwhelming egoism--he was the great revolutionary genius who would redeem, not just music, but all of art (and probably humanity as well). From that perspective, he was perfectly entitled to make any use he wanted of other men's talent, money, or wives, all in furtherance of his vital destiny.
    Quote Originally Posted by Almaviva View Post
    On Verdi: "To the world, as to the nation he helped to found, Verdi left an enduring legacy of music, charity, patriotism, honour, grace, and reason. He was and remains a mighty force for continuing good."
    Two of the greatest opera composers; born the same year; polar opposite personalities.

    Life's a funny old thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almaviva View Post
    This is a shame. I was planning to attend.
    And me but if there's a change of government (this happens in Italy occasionally!!) things might be different.

    Seeing a Verdi, any Verdi, at La Scala is on my 'bucket list' & I really wanted to do this in 2013.


    Quote Originally Posted by Almaviva View Post
    I liked this quote from that page:
    "To the world, as to the nation he helped to found, Verdi left an enduring legacy of music, charity, patriotism, honour, grace, and reason. He was and remains a mighty force for continuing good."
    +1
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    Just to add to my bad day: If you have favorite YouTube videos of your favorite artists...better check to be sure they are still there. Last week they took away my beloved "home video" that someone put up of In Fernem Land from the Lohengrin premiere, and today the 5 segments of Ein Ganz Normaler Held (German TV documentary) are GONE. It's not as if I can BUY it, people! Because I would. *raging fist at unfair universe--or maybe specifically Decca*

    I know there are a LOT of opera YouTubes out there and am not sure what causes things to be closed down, but...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FragendeFrau View Post
    Just to add to my bad day: If you have favorite YouTube videos of your favorite artists...better check to be sure they are still there. Last week they took away my beloved "home video" that someone put up of In Fernem Land from the Lohengrin premiere, and today the 5 segments of Ein Ganz Normaler Held (German TV documentary) are GONE. It's not as if I can BUY it, people! Because I would. *raging fist at unfair universe--or maybe specifically Decca*

    I know there are a LOT of opera YouTubes out there and am not sure what causes things to be closed down, but...
    There is software available to download YouTube videos to your own computer for safe-keeping.
    They go away either because the person who posted them removes them for whatever reason, or because they get removed by YouTube due to copyright violations.
    "J'ai dit qu'il ne suffisait pas d'entendre la musique, mais qu'il fallait encore la voir" (Stravinsky)

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    Thanks, Alma. I had already downloaded a few things but have not had time to get all my "favorites" to safety. Am working on that right now!

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    Speaking about Youtube ...

    Did you see this video? :B Why am I so sexy???





    No offence, I absolutely like Roberto. But I discovered this video recently on YT and I think it's really funny.

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    "No no, Roberto! Ees too sexy!"

    "But I must . . . "

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