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    Cool Which Beethoven cycle(s) do YOU own?

    My blog this week discussed four Beethoven Symphony cycles I am the proud owner of:
    http://www.talkclassical.com/blogs/i...ycle-s-do.html

    Which ones do you own? Which ones you wish you owned? Anything special you want to share on this topic?

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    Happy to say I've got those Rene Leibowitz and Royal Philharmonic recordings on record as well! My favorite overall although I have other favorites for individual symphonies...I've also got what I think is the first Herbert von Karajan and Berlin Philharmonic recording; IF he made more than one series, not sure...also, Arturo Toscanini conducting the NBC Symphony Orchestra; very nice feel to these...love his Eroica...I've also got Gunter Wand with the NDR-Sinfornieorchester and this is a surprisingly awesome set...that's it for me unless there is a complete set in this big box of records I was recently given. Do you know if the Leibowitz recordings are available on cd?...I've only had them on record and tape...other than that I'm curious to know of other fine recordings out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kv466 View Post
    Happy to say I've got those Rene Leibowitz and Royal Philharmonic recordings on record as well! My favorite overall although I have other favorites for individual symphonies...I've also got what I think is the first Herbert von Karajan and Berlin Philharmonic recording; IF he made more than one series, not sure...also, Arturo Toscanini conducting the NBC Symphony Orchestra; very nice feel to these...love his Eroica...I've also got Gunter Wand with the NDR-Sinfornieorchester and this is a surprisingly awesome set...that's it for me unless there is a complete set in this big box of records I was recently given. Do you know if the Leibowitz recordings are available on cd?...I've only had them on record and tape...other than that I'm curious to know of other fine recordings out there.
    On my blog post, I point out the Leibowitz recordings were re-issued and remastered on the Chesky label (link embedded in my blog, also a link to a torrent if you dare want to download them...)

    I know Karajan recorded FOUR Beethoven cycles, and three of them (I think) were with the BPO. I believe his set from the 60's (early stereo) are available at a budget price from DG. Also, you will find his first cycle, with the Philharmonia - I believe the first ever set issued in a box by anybody - as well as most of the Toscanini set (1951, I believe) on Public Domain Classic.

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    Which ones do I have? I have full box sets by:

    - Karajan 1960's
    - Walter
    - Toscanini
    - Erich Kleiber
    - Haitink
    - Abbado
    - Bernstein

    And also:

    - Various Klemperer
    - Various Furtwangler recordings
    - Various Herreweghe
    - Various Carlos Kleiber
    - Bruggen
    - Dohnanyi

    .. and probably a few more

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    LPs:
    - Leibowitz (I like the first two movements of IX in particular, but the CD transfer on RCA I heard didn´t catch the interesting horn phrasing for instance),
    - Karajan middle DG,
    - Toscanini;
    CDs:
    - Mengelberg,
    - Scherchen except IX.

    I´ve also had Blomstedt, Konwitschny, Bernstein/WPO and early Karajan/EMI (all of them skipped),

    but own many supplementary recordings (C. & E.Kleiber, Furtwängler, Beecham, Casals, Kletzki, Paray, Mravinsky, Norrington, Vänska and others) and find this to be a reasonably varied collection.

    I might sometime invest in the complete Furtwängler/EMI as well.
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    Sorry about that, bud...I tend to scroll when I see too many words all together...yeah, I just looked through those records and sure enough I've got a bunch of various symphonies on different records by Claudio Abbado, Leonard Bernstein and von Karajan...hmmm, I'm gonna go check if Dutoit made one...while I don't know his Beethoven I like just about everything he touches so I'm sure he'd do it justice...good stuff, ya'll.

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    Hmm, I'll try to remember them all:
    Paavo Jarvi
    Osmo Vanska
    von Karajan (the 60's cycle, I think, on DG)
    Jos van Immerseel
    George Szell
    John Eliot Gardiner

    At this point I don't find myself craving another cycle.

    I quite like the HIP recordings of Gardiner and Immerseel, but my current favorite remains the Vanska cycle on BIS. George Szell also holds a special place in my heart as the first cycle I completed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kv466 View Post
    Sorry about that, bud...I tend to scroll when I see too many words all together...yeah, I just looked through those records and sure enough I've got a bunch of various symphonies on different records by Claudio Abbado, Leonard Bernstein and von Karajan...hmmm, I'm gonna go check if Dutoit made one...while I don't know his Beethoven I like just about everything he touches so I'm sure he'd do it justice...good stuff, ya'll.
    I heard Dutoit's Beethoven in concert with the MSO several times, and I think it sounds "too French". Hey, didn't I say I like "more cowbell" when it comes to Beethoven? (Or maybe you "skipped" that SNL reference because I wrote too many words...)

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    complete cycles, i've barenboim, bernstein/nypo, bernstein/vpo, dohnanyi, haitink, harnoncourt, karajan'76, klemperer....and many other 3, 5, 6, 7 and 9s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by annie View Post
    complete cycles, i've barenboim, bernstein/nypo, bernstein/vpo, dohnanyi, haitink, harnoncourt, karajan'76, klemperer....and many other 3, 5, 6, 7 and 9s.
    I see you have 3 out my 4...

    What is it about the Beethoven "odd numbered" symphonies??? Not much respect for 2, 4,6, 8 (and not much love for #1 either)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by joen_cph View Post
    LPs:
    - Leibowitz (I like the first two movements of IX in particular, but the CD transfer on RCA I heard didn´t catch the interesting horn phrasing for instance),
    - Karajan middle DG,
    - Toscanini;
    CDs:
    - Mengelberg,
    - Scherchen except IX.

    I´ve also had Blomstedt, Konwitschny, Bernstein/WPO and early Karajan/EMI (all of them skipped),

    but own many supplementary recordings (C. & E.Kleiber, Furtwängler, Beecham, Casals, Kletzki, Paray, Mravinsky, Norrington, Vänska and others) and find this to be a reasonably varied collection.

    I might sometime invest in the complete Furtwängler/EMI as well.
    For those of you who want to sample the Mendelberg/Concertgebouw set, and some of the others that were brought up so far, I do recommend visiting "Public Domain Classic", which provides a very broad selection of Beethoven symphony performances. I will be blogging about those at some point...

    Here's the link (click on the individual work links for the performances!)
    http://public-domain-archive.com/cla...&composer_no=4

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    The first cycle that I ever owned was Charles Mackerras with the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic. My partner recently attended a talk given by Jonathan Del Mar (esteemed editor of Beethoven) who said that, although various orchestras advertise to be using his editions, few of those who claim to do so actually do so in full, but he recommended Mackerras as using most of his editions.

    When I got quite a thing for the potent Barenboim/Beethoven combination, I ended up buying his cycle with the Berlin Staatskapelle and have listened to his since - with the exception (which should be true for everybody!) of the 5th and 7th, for which I turn to Carlos Kleiber.

    Personally, I don't find myself listening to them enough for me to be bothered with more editions, but, unlike a lot of people, I am very fond of the 4th symphony, especially its first movement which I find to be incredibly uplifting.

    EDIT: I also own the Abbado, but I never liked it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itywltmt View Post
    I see you have 3 out my 4...

    What is it about the Beethoven "odd numbered" symphonies??? Not much respect for 2, 4,6, 8 (and not much love for #1 either)...
    what's wrong here is i really really don't like barenboim as both a pianist(find him lack of imagination) and conductor(except du pre times) and i find his find his smooth cycle very satisfactory.

    i listen to 8 & 4 from time to time but 1 & 2 are very not beethoven

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polednice View Post
    The first cycle that I ever owned was Charles Mackerras with the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic. My partner recently attended a talk given by Jonathan Del Mar (esteemed editor of Beethoven) who said that, although various orchestras advertise to be using his editions, few of those who claim to do so actually do so in full, but he recommended Mackerras as using most of his editions.

    When I got quite a thing for the potent Barenboim/Beethoven combination, I ended up buying his cycle with the Berlin Staatskapelle and have listened to his since - with the exception (which should be true for everybody!) of the 5th and 7th, for which I turn to Carlos Kleiber.

    Personally, I don't find myself listening to them enough for me to be bothered with more editions, but, unlike a lot of people, I am very fond of the 4th symphony, especially its first movement which I find to be incredibly uplifting.

    EDIT: I also own the Abbado, but I never liked it.
    I have a soft spot for the 4th too.

    What you MUST do (and this is especially true for the 4th) is find the vignettes that Bernstein did for his series with the VPO (mentioned in my blog), as YouTube has most of them. His vignette on the 4th is PRICELESS, and shows so much insight...

    Now, I am spoiling a planned future post, but you absolutely have to search YouTube for Bernstein's 1954 OMNIBUS broadcast (Nov 14 1954 I believe), were he lectures on the discarded sketches of the 5th. It is a MUST SEE for anyone who is keen on gaining insight on Beethoven's approach to composing. In fact, in the clip I embedded in today's blog, he quotes some of what he says in 1954 almost verbatim.

    I tell you Callum (and others), this reminds us just how adept a communicator Bernstein was. I will talk more about that on my blogspot blog on Friday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by itywltmt View Post
    I have a soft spot for the 4th too.

    What you MUST do (and this is especially true for the 4th) is find the vignettes that Bernstein did for his series with the VPO (mentioned in my blog), as YouTube has most of them. His vignette on the 4th is PRICELESS, and shows so much insight...

    Now, I am spoiling a planned future post, but you absolutely have to search YouTube for Bernstein's 1954 OMNIBUS broadcast (Nov 14 1954 I believe), were he lectures on the discarded sketches of the 5th. It is a MUST SEE for anyone who is keen on gaining insight on Beethoven's approach to composing. In fact, in the clip I embedded in today's blog, he quotes some of what he says in that 1954 almost verbatim.

    I tell you Callum (and others), this reminds us just how adept a communicator Bernstein was. I will talk more about that on my blogspot blog on Friday.
    Thank you very much for these recommendations; I absolutely love coming across these kinds of things. That's why I was particularly delighted to find a 1h 45mins talk on YouTube by Bernstein called 'The Unanswered Question' from 1973.

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