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    Default TC Top 200 Recommended Solo Keyboard Works

    It's time everyone.... Welcome to the TC Top 200 Recommended Solo Keyboard Works!


    This is part of an ongoing project that includes the TC Top 100 Recommended Operas, TC Top 150 Recommended Symphonies, TC Top 100 Recommended Keyboard Concerti, TC Top 50 String Ensembles, TC Top 50 String Concerti, and the TC Top 50 Woodwind & Brass Concerti. General discussion of this project can be found here.

    To recap, here is a brief outline of the project:

    - the TalkClassical members with a wide variety of interests and experiences can reach a consensus on the top works from a variety of musical forms
    - this process should lead to some interesting debate and discussion regarding these various specialized areas of music
    - these lists may be used as reference points for both newcomers and long-time classical listeners to the world of classical music and to specific areas of classical music as defined by these lists

    Those of us who run this project understand and respect the fact that not all of us enjoy lists and polls, but we ask that you refrain from criticisms here in respect for those of us who do. This project has been successfully tested and tried in both of the threads mentioned above, and it is our hope that the Keyboard Works thread can be just as successful and continue to foster the same sort of friendly environment. We hope that the the result will turn out to be the most satisfactory compromise for all the participating members of this forum and the best possible reference for both old and new listeners alike who desire to learn more about classical music.


    Before the nomination round begins, please feel free to make any comments, questions, or suggestions - it's time for you as a member of TalkClassical to make your voice heard!

    We would like everyone to contribute to this process as all of your opinions are valuable to the end result of this forum recommended list and it is also an effective way to gauge expected participation for the remainder of the project.

    The first round will begin officially in two days. Before then, brainstorm your lists!

    So, who's in?
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    Regulations


    Keyboard Instruments qualifying for this round


    Pianoforte, Fortepiano, Prepared Piano, Player Piano, Harpsichord, Clavichord, Bogenclavier, and other closely related keyboard instruments. Organ is not included.


    Rules for entries

    Generally works qualify by opuses. A single opus is one entry. All exceptions to this rule are highlighted below.

    Highlighted exceptions:


    Sonatas qualify individually.

    Inseparable sets qualify together as an one entry. Use your best judgement; it's not rocket science. Examples include - Albeniz's Iberia, Chopin and Debussy's Preludes, Ligeti's Etudes, and Shostakovich's Preludes and Fugues.

    Weighty opuses are to be split up into individual works. Example - Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsodies.

    Otherwise, nominate entries at your own discretion. Question marks such as Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier, English Suites, and Partitas will qualify the way they are first nominated unless a general consensus is reached beforehand.


    Arrangements


    I like Klavierspieler's qualification for these.

    Arrangements are only to be used if the composer himself made the arrangement or expressed satisfaction with the arrangement. This means that Bach-Busoni's Chaconne and in general Liszt's transcriptions do not qualify.

    One more qualification that I would like to add is that the arrangement must be seen as a significant work in and of itself and not simply a subset or secondary version of another work. An example of a piece that fits these qualifications is Stravinsky's Three Movements from Petrouchka.


    Any concerns please bring up.
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    I, as always, will try to take part in the beginning but will leave when I'll think that I strongly disagree with outcomes (something like Brahms op. 118 over some vaueable works).

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    Let the fun begin.

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    I'll try to contribute, at least in the beginning, and then we'll have to see.

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    I'll contribute. But could someone please explain to me exactly how this is done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by violadude View Post
    I'll contribute. But could someone please explain to me exactly how this is done?
    Sure thing.

    You can also look at the other lists from this project to see examples of how it is done.

    Simple procedure. Nominations are done in sets of 10. Two rounds per set. First round is nominations, where members nominate their favorite pieces not yet on the list. I compile this data by number of votes. Second round is the voting round. We vote on the top 10 pieces from nominations with the most votes. This determines their order on the final list. Then we move on to the next group of 10, and so on.

    I'll put up signposts on the way, and try to make it as clear as possible. So sit tight!
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    I will participate. Though I might sometimes pass on the nomination rounds and just vote - if I try to create a top 10 list, I will agonize over it.

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    Do the top 10 have to be in order of preference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Air View Post
    It's time everyone.... Welcome to the TC Top 150 Recommended Keyboard Works!

    So, who's in?
    Already?! I haven't listened to all the works yet!

    But yeah, I'm in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webernite View Post
    Do the top 10 have to be in order of preference?
    It will be much appreciated, but not required. Generally the difference isn't huge because the number of nominations takes precedence over the rank of nominations. I will most likely rank any set of nominations though, so be warned. Maybe just take a few seconds to arrange the ones you like the most towards the top (7-10 pts.) and the ones you like less towards the bottom (1-3 pts.). There really doesn't have to be a strict, clear-cut order, but an order or priority is highly recommended.

    Are you folks planning on listing the Partitas, English Suites & French Suites separately or together? And will the same sort of classification apply to the Toccatas?
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    I understand that we nominate whole works, like a whole piano sonata, and not the individual movements. Suppose, now, that I have this piano sonata by whomever, and I feel like this about the individual movements:

    1. Allegro (nah)
    2. Largo (best thing I've ever heard)
    3. Scherzo (okay, I guess)
    4. Allegretto (pretty good)

    Should I nominate this piano sonata then, because of that glorious second movement? Or should I take some movement average, in which case I would not nominate it?

    And if I nominate it, do I just write...

    Whomever: Piano sonata in E flat minor

    ...without even mentioning that Largo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Air View Post
    It will be much appreciated, but not required. Generally the difference isn't huge because the number of nominations takes precedence over the rank of nominations. I will most likely rank any set of nominations though, so be warned. Maybe just take a few seconds to arrange the ones you like the most towards the top (7-10 pts.) and the ones you like less towards the bottom (1-3 pts.). There really doesn't have to be a strict, clear-cut order, but an order or priority is highly recommended.

    Are you folks planning on listing the Partitas, English Suites & French Suites separately or together? And will the same sort of classification apply to the Toccatas?
    I had planned on nominating Partitas and Suites separately. I'm less familiar with the Toccatas, but I thought they would also be nominated separately.

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    I was going to nominate the Partitas first, then the English Suites, then the French Suites. So yeah, separately.

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    Yeah I'm in, at least for the beginning.

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