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  • Russia, Ukraine, etc.

    12 54.55%
  • Eastern Europe

    8 36.36%
  • Scandinavia / Baltic

    7 31.82%
  • USA

    3 13.64%
  • Twentieth Century (Second) Viennese School

    7 31.82%
  • UK

    4 18.18%
  • Middle Europe (Austria, Switzerland, Germany)

    5 22.73%
  • Continental Western Europe (France, Spain)

    3 13.64%
  • Asia / Australasia

    1 4.55%
  • Other region/s (please specify)

    0 0%
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    I've put these into regions to fit more in the poll. Let's discuss what we like here. Feel free to add/discuss any that I've missed. The regions refer to where these composers were born, not necessarily where they lived most of their lives (depending on which ones). I made a seperate category for the c20th Viennese School. & it's a public poll. (BTW - I haven't listened to all of these, but most of them).

    Russia, Ukraine, etc.
    - Eg. Prokofiev, Shostakovich, Stravinsky, Khachaturian, Myaskovsky, Vainberg, Schnittke, Gubaidulina

    Eastern Europe
    - Eg. Bartok, Janacek, Martinu, Szymanowski, Rozsa, Lutoslawski (Chain II), Penderecki, Ligeti

    Scandinavia/Baltic
    - Eg. Sibelius, Nielsen, Vasks, Rautavaara, Pettersson, Tuur

    USA
    - Eg. Bernstein (Serenade), Barber, Carter, Sessions, Rochberg, Adams, Glass, Lees

    Twentieth Century (Second) Viennese School
    - Berg, Schoenberg

    UK
    - Eg. Rubbra, Bax, Vaughan Williams (Lark Ascending), Elgar, Delius, Britten, Walton, Rawsthorne, Maw, Ades

    Middle Europe (Austria, Germany, Switzerland)
    - Eg. Bloch, Korngold, Hindemith, Weill, Henze, Martin

    Continental Western Europe (France, Spain)
    - Eg. Dutilleux, Milhaud, Rodrigo

    Asia / Australasia
    - Eg. Chen Gang & He Zhanhao (Butterfly Lovers Concerto), Takemitsu, Ross Edwards (Maninyas Concerto), Peter Sculthorpe (Irkanda IV)

    Other region/s
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    I wish I could vote for 2nd Viennese School 3 times, cos the Berg is the most incredible violin concerto that's ever walked the planet...

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    UK - and the (usual) omission of EJ Moeran is a pity.
    Allüberall und ewig blauen licht die Fernen! Ewig ... ewig ...

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    I hit Eastern Europe accidentally. I intended to vote for the Berg. I've never fully embraced the Second Viennese school, but the Berg is awesome. But hey - Martinu and Rosza are not too shabby either, so I'll stick with my vote.

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    Had the Second Viennese school been lumped in with Middle Europe I'd have probably voted for them with Russia/Ukraine (or should we call it the 'Ex-Soviet Union' allowing for Khachaturian being Georgian- born of Armenian extraction?) a very close second. I'd say Russia/Ukraine are even better at cello concertos!
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    I love violin concerto.
    very hard to choose if it were grouped. Because in each group I got favorites.

    in Russian I like: Khachaturian, Myaskovsky, Glazunov, Prokofiev, Arensky
    then Bartok 2nd, Sibelius, Korngold, Walton, Barber, Rozsa, Bloch, RVW are also my favorite.

    so maybe I will choose World.

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    An interesting poll for this special genre; special because I think 20th century works especially orchestral ones produced a very wide range of styles indeed, and the old violin concerto continued to dominate as showmanship for moods, forms, techniques and schools of composition (second perhaps to the piano concerto). I haven't listened to as many as from earlier periods but probably just enough to make me fairly confident of my comment about sheer range of "everything".

    I seemed to know the eastern European part better, with a few of the others thrown in. So I picked Russian, Ukraine, then Eastern Europe, and finally the 20th century Viennese School. I didn't vote the UK because I find the works to be overtly sentimental in a different way that's hard to describe, and consistently so that is undeniably British in all the instrument genres of the period. It's enjoyable but I prefer the ones I voted for.

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    Thanks guys.

    For me, the c20th Viennese School is a no-brainer, so too the USA composers, who have yielded lots of fruits for me in the violin concerto genre (& other genres too). My third choice could have been basically any of the others, so I did a bit of a patriotic (or parochial?) thing and chose Asia / Australasia.

    I must admit that I completely forgot about Italy - I'm not sure of any c20th violin concertos, or substantial works for violin & orch. from composers of that country that has entered the repertoire (or at least made some impact). Correct me if I'm wrong, eg. Respighi? Dallapicolla? Berio?...

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    My choice (UK) was quite easy on the strength of Vaughan Williams, Elgar, Walton, and Moeran (Art Rock, thanks for reminding me of this lovely work). But really my favorites are spread throughout the world - Sibelius, Korngold, Barber, Chen Gang & He Zhanhao, and Myaskovsky. When there is talk of great violin concertos I'm reminded of Berg, whose concerto simply does not move me. Every time I listen, I think, "This will be the time I get it." But alas, not yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmsbls View Post
    ...When there is talk of great violin concertos I'm reminded of Berg, whose concerto simply does not move me. Every time I listen, I think, "This will be the time I get it." But alas, not yet.
    Well, it took me a while to be emotionally moved by the Berg concerto. Same with his Chamber Concerto, which has a lot of humour but wasn't readily discernible for me upon the first listen. A live performance of it last year kind of helped. In any case, I now really like the Berg violin concerto, esp. in terms of how it relates to the story of Manon Gropius, for whom this is basically a requiem.

    BTW - What do you think, mmsbls, of Schoenberg's violin concerto? Is your feeling towards it same as for the Berg? I like the Schoenberg concerto even more than the Berg, even if only or mainly for it's last movement, which for me mirrors the composer's position as an exile in the USA, away from the political turmoil in Europe, about which he was helpless to do anything...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sid James View Post
    I like the Schoenberg concerto even more than the Berg.
    I do also. I've tried to get into the Berg, even heard it live, but it still hasn't clicked. But Schoenberg's has.

    So I voted for the 2d Viennese School because that one makes my ears perk up, though I don't want to discount Sibelius, Barber, Korngold, or the second movement of Glass' violin concerto, so I added the US and Scandanavia.

    I guess that leaves out Shostakovich and Tchaikovsky. Rats.
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    Prokofiev's VC number 1 is the only god tier VC I've ever heard

    I have yet to be even CLOSE to as impressed with a violin concerto as I am with that one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sid James View Post
    BTW - What do you think, mmsbls, of Schoenberg's violin concerto? Is your feeling towards it same as for the Berg? I like the Schoenberg concerto even more than the Berg, even if only or mainly for it's last movement, which for me mirrors the composer's position as an exile in the USA, away from the political turmoil in Europe, about which he was helpless to do anything...
    Sorry, Sid, I saw this post and somehow managed to forget to respond. I have heard the Berg perhaps 5 times, but Schoenberg maybe just twice. I would say I have essentially the same feeling towards both in the sense that neither moves me much. Certainly I would say I don't "get" either. Many think that Berg's is the best or one of the best violin concertos of the 20th century whereas I don't think I've ever heard the Schoenberg discussed as a great concerto. Since the Berg gets such high praise, I perhaps feel a greater desire to explore it and "understand" it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BubbleBobble View Post
    Prokofiev's VC number 1 is the only god tier VC I've ever heard

    I have yet to be even CLOSE to as impressed with a violin concerto as I am with that one
    Are you including all violin concertos or just 20th century concertos in that assessment?

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    all violin concertos

    I can't find any that are completely captivating like that one is

    I never used to really like the violin until lately though..

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