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    Who was your favorite movie Beethoven? Is it Immortal Beloved Beethoven? Is it Copying Beethoven Beethoven? Is it Beethoven lives upstairs Beethoven?

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    I think the Immortal Beloved Beethoven is the most convincing (Cleanflix version, of course).

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    Are there two Immortal Beloved moves? What do you mean by Cleanflix version? I only know the one with Gary Oldman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curiosity View Post
    Somehow, I seriously doubt that...

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    I must confess to having never seen any of the aforementioned films.

    One of which, I'm happy to say so.

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    I think Gary Oldman in Immortal Beloved is very good, and plays a believable character, unlike Tom Hulce's Mozart in Amadeus...

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    Quote Originally Posted by violadude View Post
    Are there two Immortal Beloved moves? What do you mean by Cleanflix version? I only know the one with Gary Oldman.
    There used to be a company, Cleanflix, which took movies and removed the naughty bits. Unfortunately, the studios took exception to them editing their art, so they are now defunct.

    I don't like having movies in my collection which I wouldn't want my 6-year-old grandson to watch or which he would think less of me for watching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manxfeeder View Post
    There used to be a company, Cleanflix, which took movies and removed the naughty bits. Unfortunately, the studios took exception to them editing their art, so they are now defunct.

    I don't like having movies in my collection which I wouldn't want my 6-year-old grandson to watch or which he would think less of me for watching.
    Oh I see. So they took out the scenes of Beethoven running through the forest with topless women in that version?

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    Gary Oldman IS Beethoven. Ed Harris - not so much. Harris even confesses in the commentary he never listened to or knew anything about Beethoven before the role.

    There is another movie Beethoven who is pretty good, and that is Ian Hart as a youngish Beethoven in Eroica. Quite enjoyable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by violadude View Post
    Oh I see. So they took out the scenes of Beethoven running through the forest with topless women in that version?
    They removed all of the shots with Beethoven looking rebellious and uncouth. Wouldn't want the young'uns seeing that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston View Post
    There is another movie Beethoven who is pretty good, and that is Ian Hart as a youngish Beethoven in Eroica. Quite enjoyable.
    I remember seeing a few years back on CBC's "Opening Night" Arts anthology series a film/dramatized performance of the Eroica symphony, complete with period players scattered throughout a large banquet hall or living room and an aged Haydn listening and giving his impressions (often negative) to a conducting Beethoven between movements. Is that the one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by violadude View Post
    Oh I see. So they took out the scenes of Beethoven running through the forest with topless women in that version?
    Apparently, because it isn't in my version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itywltmt View Post
    I remember seeing a few years back on CBC's "Opening Night" Arts anthology series a film/dramatized performance of the Eroica symphony, complete with period players scattered throughout a large banquet hall or living room and an aged Haydn listening and giving his impressions (often negative) to a conducting Beethoven between movements. Is that the one?
    Yes, that's the one. It's a cross between a performance of the 3rd Symphony and a dramatization. The fellow playing Haydn does a fine job too with the slow realization that music has now changed forever -- even though I think history shows that Haydn could not attend the premier of the Beethoven's 3rd.

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    My piano teacher once told me a story about a time she gave a presentation to a 3rd grade class about classical music.

    Trying to start simple, she asks the class in her wonderful Russian accent: "So, has anyone here heard of Beethoven before?"

    *awkward moment of silence*


    About 10 seconds later, two of the kids looked at each other, nod, and one raises his hand.

    My piano teacher, seeing a glimmer of hope, calls on him: "Yes, my dear?"

    The kid, encouraged, responds proudly: "I know him, he's that dog from that movie!"

    Sigh...
    "Summit or death, either way, I win" ~R. Schumann

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