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    Default The Sadism of the Site's Search Feature

    Is it just me or is the site's search not only *completely* useless, but with the 30-second limit, so bad it's actually evil?

    For example, I wanted to find the "Guess that sheet music game" thread. Typing this into search does not give the thread. You try again, but get the stupid 30-second notice.

    Then I tried searching within the thread for "Winterreise", which was an answer I gave. It does not yield any results, despite me clearly posting it on page 8.

    Interestingly, the "similar threads" function works pretty well and produces good matches. Sometimes I am tempted to make a new thread on what I am looking for just so I can find what I want by looking at the similar threads.

    Also interestingly, a google search for "talk classical guess sheet music game winterreise" takes me to the right page on the first hit. So I guess the site's feature is for ***** and giggles and if you actually want to find anything, use google.

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    I thought it was just because I was new!

    I've been unsuccessful with it for the most part and it's caused me to create redundant threads.

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    I have had a little luck with it, but now, as with Couchie, I just use goggle with the TC URL and always find what I want.

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    I've used it regularly and never once been successful.

    It seems as though no matter what I type into it - no matter how obscure, and how little it must come up on the forum - I either get a list of every single thread with no relation to my query at all, or no results whatsoever.

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    You mean that it's supposed to work? I always thought it was a prank on the newbies.

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    Yes, the search feature here is abysmal compared to that of another forum I used to inhabit (which was abysmal for reasons other than it's search engine, so I left, but anyway). It has to be improved, but I guess this is a matter of funding for the owners of TC...
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    I quite agree with the search feature being somewhat cryptic ... the Google search seems like a good alternative.

    Some of our staff members have also had problems searching using the internal features.

    As for the 30 second rule between searches, that's mainly because of spam bots. If we didn't impose the time limitation, the spam bots would be able to perform millions of searches per minute, essentially jamming the server with too many requests at one time which could result in a server crash.

    The tip of the day here though is to suggest that one 'subscribe' to a thread of great interest. In that manner, the member will always have a 'list' at their disposal and not have to search for them. There is no limit to the amount of 'subscriptions' one can have, and there are many options for notification of updates to those threads.
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    I gave up using search on almost any website, forums especially. When I encounter new websites, I don't even give them a chance anymore, I just go to Google directly. Just put this TC search link onto bookmark toolbar, and enjoy!

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    I have also found the search facility quite useless.

    It used to work quite well at an earlier time but more recently it seems to have packed up completely. To test it, I have tried various simple searches of my own posts made some time ago when I know that I used a particular unusual word, and I narrowed down the search to my own posts only, and yet it came up with nothing.

    I'm wondering whether the search facility is actually switched on. Was it a casualty of a version upgrade?

    On other music forums which I visit, the search facility works much better. Having a decent search facility is vital, otherwise members won't be able to find the 99.9% of material that's buried beneath the surface of the latest set of posts. It could lead to all sorts of unnecessary duplication of threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krummhorn View Post
    As for the 30 second rule between searches, that's mainly because of spam bots. If we didn't impose the time limitation, the spam bots would be able to perform millions of searches per minute, essentially jamming the server with too many requests at one time which could result in a server crash.
    How about lowering it down to a much more tolerable interval, such as 5, or even 10 seconds? I'm pretty sure vBulletin lets you set the interval, no? 30 seconds is just far too long...

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    Hi humanbean,

    Yes, we can set it to any time interval - we chose 30 seconds as it seemed the least intrusive thinking that it would take about 30 seconds to read the material found in a search, and it also keeps the 'machines' from gaining control of our servers and/or consuming too much bandwidth.

    We might consider lowering it a little if there are enough regular users who feel the 30 seconds is too long.

    Actually, the searches are much better using Google ... and Google does not have time-outs between searches.
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    I never thought of searching for TC threads on Google, though it seems rather obvious now. I can usually remember who started a thread, so I've always just gone to their profile and looked under "started threads."

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    +1 for 30 seconds being far too long a limit between searches. I have timed myself for reading a list of search results and found the average to be 29.5 seconds. All those half seconds add up you know.

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    So, I was searching some composers here on TC, and was kinda annoyed to copy/paste web address into google (and add site: ) too may times (as I myself described in this thread), so I checked if there is some elegant solution for that. And there is - an addon that allows you to search within ANY website you're visiting, effectively eliminating any need to search websites using their own search features (which mostly gives bad results).

    So, the easiest way (if you're using Firefox) is to go here:
    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...n/search-site/
    Installation is trivial (click Add to Firefox, then Allow, Install and the rest of self-explaining buttons that appear), and once you do that, your search bar looks like this:

    Once you're on a certain website (TC for example), all you need to do is type in search bar what you need and click green magnifying glass (remember not to press enter - it will use "the usual search"). It works with Google, Yahoo, Bing, etc.

    I'd say it's easy and elegant way to replace built in search on ANY website. I hope you'll find it useful.

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    for Opera: https://addons.opera.com/en/addons/e...insite-search/
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    I'll use it if you get me a link for a Chrome version.

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