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    Death to the Maiden,

    Death of the Maiden,

    Death for the Maiden,

    ah....yes! Death And The Maiden! I finally got it right! I've requested to hear this wonderful work or talked about this work using the above, because sometimes I'm bad at remembering names of people and things

    One thing I do know is this Schubert masterpiece is one of the most powerful and remarkable works of the entire chamber music repertoire!

    I own a recording of the Death and The Maiden quartet performed by Melos Quartet. And, I've just listened to the 1st and 2nd mvt performed by the Lindsay Quartet.

    My question is: Which string quartet ensemble performed the definitive Death And the Maiden? I'd like to hear your thoughts.

    That 2nd mvt. Andante con moto is just so impossibly amazing!


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    Death and the Maiden String Quartet No 14 is among the very best of Schubert's works. Among his chamber works, it's bettered only by the String Quintet. Another wonderful String Quartet is No 13, Rosamunde. So too is No 15. The best version of SQ 14 that I have is by Henshel Quartet, but I wouldn't like to say it is the definitive best. If you like these works, you should also try the Fantaisie for Violin and Piano duet D 934 as it's not that well known but is very nice. All in all, I prefer Schubert to Beethoven for chamber music. It was once the other way round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mango View Post
    Among his chamber works, it's bettered only by the String Quintet.
    This is a work that I must push up on my wish list. I've only heard small portions of it, and it was amazing. Is this a work written for 2 violins, 1 viola and 2 cellos? Rather than the standard 2violin, 2viola, 1 cello string quintet combo?

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    Is this a work written for 2 violins, 1 viola and 2 cellos? Rather than the standard 2violin, 2viola, 1 cello string quintet combo?
    Yes, that's right. It's in C Major, numbered D. 956. What a lovely piece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChamberNut View Post
    This is a work that I must push up on my wish list. I've only heard small portions of it, and it was amazing. Is this a work written for 2 violins, 1 viola and 2 cellos? Rather than the standard 2violin, 2viola, 1 cello string quintet combo?
    This work, D 956, is truly superb. It's one of the best chamber pieces ever written. I prefer it to anything written by Beethoven. How come you aren't too familiar? It's a standard, a real classic. The second movement in particular is fantastic. In the 20 months after Beethoven's death, Schubert went on a composing frenzy partly because he knew that his days were numbered (he died Nov 1828) and partly out of reverence to Beethoven. Just about everything Schubert wrote in this period is a stunner. D 956 was among the very last pieces composed.

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    I always like to give a plug for the Brodsky on this one. Not only because it's so good (I would say that it's "definitive") but because it's coupled with Crumb's Dark Angels string quartet (which quotes the Death and the Maiden theme).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mango View Post
    This work, D 956, is truly superb. It's one of the best chamber pieces ever written. I prefer it to anything written by Beethoven. How come you aren't too familiar? It's a standard, a real classic.
    Well, unfortunately there are alot of standard classics that I have yet to "discover". I'm so enthralled and immersed with the stuff I have already, that I have so much yet to find out about.....and purchase. Plus, in the chamber music repertoire, I've been focused more towards piano trios and string quartets first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChamberNut View Post
    Well, unfortunately there are alot of standard classics that I have yet to "discover". I'm so enthralled and immersed with the stuff I have already, that I have so much yet to find out about.....and purchase. Plus, in the chamber music repertoire, I've been focused more towards piano trios and string quartets first.

    Ok, I see now. You are in discovery mode. There is a lot of chamber material outside trio and quartet that's just as good if not better. Apart from Schubert's String Quintet D 956, as you will know there are several Mozart quintets. These are mostly superb. In fact, Mozart quintets are generally reckoned to be better than his quartets. Incidentaly, for the Mozart quintets, the set by the Juilliard String Quartet is excellent.

    Schumann and Brahms piano quintets are really wonderful. Of all piano quintets, I think the one by Brahms takes some beating. It's one of my favourite pieces.

    There are very many duets involving piano and violin or cello. I mentioned Schubert's D 934 as being especially nice.

    Also, Schubert's and Mendelssohn's Octets are very good.

    Some of Brahms sextets are good (no. 1, Op 18 especially)

    Borodin, Tchaikovsky and Dvorak wrote some good chamber music.

    BTW, if anyone tells you that Bartok's String Quartets (6 of them) are the best since Beethoven, don't believe them. From what I gather of your chamber music tastes, I reckon you'd be rather disappointed (if not a little surprised) with Bartok's. They are reckoned to be superb but I can't get my mind round them. They do not have sufficient melody for my tastes, and I find some of them to be very much an acquired taste. Shostakovich's string quarters are generally more accessible, and a better start on the 20th Century material than Bartok, but watch out as not all of them are good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mango View Post
    Ok, I see now. You are in discovery mode. There is a lot of chamber material outside trio and quartet that's just as good if not better. Apart from Schubert's String Quintet D 956, as you will know there are several Mozart quintets. These are mostly superb. In fact, Mozart quintets are generally reckoned to be better than his quartets. Incidentaly, for the Mozart quintets, the set by the Juilliard String Quartet is excellent.

    Schumann and Brahms piano quintets are really wonderful. Of all piano quintets, I think the one by Brahms takes some beating. It's one of my favourite pieces.

    There are very many duets involving piano and violin or cello. I mentioned Schubert's D 934.

    Also, Schubert's and Mendelssohn's Octets are very good.

    Some of Brahms sextets are good.

    Dvorak wrote some good chamber music.

    BTW, if anyone tells you that Bartok's String Quartets (6 of them) are the best since Beethoven, don't believe them. From what I gather of your chamber music tastes, I reckon you'd be rather disappointed (if not a little surprised) with Bartok's. They are reckoned to be superb but I can't get my mind round them. They do not ahve sufficient melody for my tastes. Shostakovich's string quarters are generally more accessible, and a better start on the 20th Century material than Bartok, but watch out as not all of them are good.
    Well, you'll be happy to know Mango that I have started branching out in the other repertoires such as quintets and sextets, etc.

    I have Brahms String Quintets and Sextets, and his fabulous Piano Quintet, which I adore. Also have his Clarinet Quintet, another superb work.

    And I also have the Schumann Piano Quintet and Piano Quartet. I must say Schumann's Piano Quintet is one of my favorite chamber works overall.

    And also have Mendelssohn's Octet. Fantastic work, for a 16 year old composer.

    I actually am intrigued by Bartok's quartets, as well as Shostakovich.

    I just bought a house this week, so my budget over the next while will require some choices to make for additions to my classical collection. My wish list is extensive!!

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    I love Dvorak's quintet (Opus 80). As for duets, I recently heard Chopin's <something> Brillante(?) for piano and cello. It was pretty nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChamberNut View Post
    I just bought a house this week, so my budget over the next while will require some choices to make for additions to my classical collection. My wish list is extensive!!
    First choice: Stop buying at B&N and move to amazon. Prices are (almost) always less.

    Congrats on the new house, BTW!
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    The excellent Mozart string quintets have already been mentioned (one of them, KV 406 is an arrangement of the wind serenade KV 388, but the other five are all original string quintets), but you also won't want to forget the splendid quintet for piano and winds (KV 452), which Mozart remarked at the time of writing that it was his most beautiful work to date. The piano quartets (KV 478 in G minor and KV 493 in E-flat) are also beautiful.

    Please do not overlook the Shostakovich G minor Piano Quintet, Op. 57. I recently played the Schumann Op. 44, Dvorak Op. 81, and Shostakovich Op. 57 piano quintets with some friends, and I found the Shostakovich to be the most fun to play. There's some good stuff in this quintet, even though it doesn't get as much press time as works like the Brahms.

    Congratulations on the new house, Chamber Nut! Hopefully you will fill it soon with many CD's

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    Oh, and if you enjoyed the Brahms Clarinet Quintet (wonderful, isn't it?), you will also want to check out the two Brahms clarinet sonatas in F minor and E-flat, Op. 120. Sometimes these works are "hijacked" by viola players

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leporello87 View Post
    ....but you also won't want to forget the splendid quintet for piano and winds (KV 452), which Mozart remarked at the time of writing that it was his most beautiful work to date.
    I couldn't agree more; it's splendid. The version I have is by Brendel, Holliger, Brunner et al on the Philips "Complete Mozart Edition - Quintets". This version is highly rated, which is why I acquired it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mango View Post
    I couldn't agree more; it's splendid. The version I have is by Brendel, Holliger, Brunner et al on the Philips "Complete Mozart Edition - Quintets". This version is highly rated, which is why I acquired it.
    Nice! That's the version I have as well

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