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    Default Bartok vs Stravinsky

    Just wondering... yes another ranker

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    Just a warning, I'll be making judgements that hopefully won't go so far as to generalize, based on an inadequate knowledge of their entire outputs.

    In the past I would have hands down said Stravinsky, having misjudged Bartok on very little evidence. I still like Stravinksy a lot. If I were to compare the greatest abstract symphonic works of the two, I think Bartok would come out on top. Concerto for Orchestra beats anything 20th century practically. Symphony in 3 movements, Symphony in C while cool pieces, can't hold a candle to Concerto for Orchestra. On the other hand, Stravinsky's Ballet Suites are incomparable masterpieces.

    I would say that, that based on what I know, Stravinsky has a knack for more extraverted color and was a revolutionary to boot; Bartok seems more ingenious with the thematic development and his colors are very richly blended, more subtle. Stravinsky more commonly ranks higher on lists, because being as extreme of a revolutionary as that gives you a certain advantage apart from the actual quality of your music. And his music also happens to not in the least be lacking in quality. But I think Bartok's has more quality yet.

    I'll vote Bartok for this one, but I don't really have my mind made up. I'll be curious to see if this spurs on any good dueling Stravinsky-Bartok recommendations.
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    i predict bartok will win this poll. i think its interesting how well stravinsky ranks compared with bartok, and yet i think bartok has more people who prefer his music when both composers are consider. stravinsky is much more discussed and well known to people who may not know either composer's works.

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    Stravinsky was easier to like at first, but Bartok's music has grown on me quite a bit over the past few years. I'll go with Bartok for now. If I ever have time in life to listen to and absorb the entire Works Of Igor Stravinsky box I bought, then maybe I'll be able to make a more informed decision. Then again, there's no reason to choose other than hypothetically speaking.

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    I am going for Stravinsky. I like Bartok too...and I admit that this was hard. But Le Sacre du printemps is just so damn good, I would still pick Stravinsky even if that were the only thing he ever wrote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidMahler View Post
    i predict bartok will win this poll.
    I predict that everyone who participates in this thread will lose.

    Oh, spit! That means me, too, now!! ACK!

    Anyway, since I can have both, I guess I just win. Woo hoo!! I love winning.

    And both Bartók and Stravinsky are dead, so there's no real winning or losing for either of them, not any more.

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    If forced to choose then I would say that I have always preferred Bartok because of his highly organic and concentrated motivic writing, and because of his distinct harmonic language. Also, because of his great, and innovative interest in formal design. This is a personal preference of style, not a diatribe against Stravinsky. Stravinksky's music breathes more, is lighter, even when it's heavy, than Bartok's, and this will be a plus for some. In a word, Stravinsky's music is more theatrical than Bartok's, not unlike a comparison between the music of George Frederick Handel and Johann Sebastian Bach.

    Of the two, Stravinsky is the most influential because he is the easiest to apprehend, and emulate stylistically. This is why his sound and ways can be found in so much movie music (e.g. Star Wars et al). Bartok's style is inscrutably more difficult and would dominate anything on the screen (excepting his slow 'Night Music' movements, and the use of Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta in 'Being John Malkovich'). Still, I love both composers.

    Both men wrote two of the most enduring masterpieces of the 20th Century - I'll give the general opinion, then my private one.

    Stravinsky - The Rite of Spring - Bartok - The Concerto for Orchestra

    My choices:

    Stravinsky - The Symphony of Psalms - Bartok - The Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta (or string quartet #2, 4 or 6)
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    besides Le Sacre du printemps, of course, the master piece, I like pretty much these others stravinsky's works:

    Symphonies Of Wind Instruments

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIL7wnx6Yy8

    Dumbarton Oaks

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQszFzbxwbM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8_XpOcmB8I

    and of course the well know Symphony of Psalms.

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    I forget about 'Dumbarton Oaks', beautiful work. The Octet for Winds is also a very fine and terribly difficult work.

    Quote Originally Posted by aleazk View Post
    besides Le Sacre du printemps, of course, the master piece, I like pretty much these others stravinsky's works:

    Symphonies Of Wind Instruments

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIL7wnx6Yy8

    Dumbarton Oaks

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQszFzbxwbM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8_XpOcmB8I

    and of course the well know Symphony of Psalms.

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    I always thought the two were compared too much. I much prefer Bartok because he's one of the most individualistic composers in the canon, in my opinion.
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    Definitely Bartok in my neck of the woods. I could list the reasons, but when it all boils down, I just inherently like more of his music than that other guy. Not that there's anything wrong with that other guy.

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    Though I'm not too fluent in either composer, the Concerto for Orchestra wins it for me.

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    Both of them introduced me to music of the modern period. I kind of see them as being more objective composers, rather than expressing autobiographical things in their music. Eg. like Janacek or Berg, who I listen to more often now, probably.

    But nowadays, it's Stravinsky. Esp. his chamber music - some have been mentioned above. Also adding The Soldier's Tale, the full hour long version with narration, is really something I've discovered this year and loved. Other things like his Oedipus Rex, Symphony in Three Movements, Elegie for solo viola and Violin Concerto. I hardly listen to The Rite of Spring now because I think I did overkill with it early on in my youth.

    With Bartok, his Music for Strings, Percusssion & Celesta is my favourite, but also solo piano works of all kinds of his. I think I did same overkill with things like Concerto for ORchestra, so again it's hardly in my player these days.

    Other kind of polls like say Shostakovich vs. Prokofiev may well be easier for me because I am connecting more, have done that more, with the former than the latter. Just listened to Shosty's cello concertos last night, connecting with them to the max now. Not giving you any ideas though, DavidMahler!!!...

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    Stravinsky is probably the best composer ever in one sense: he changed so many times his style of composing without decreasing his genius at all! It's amazing how he was able to absorb influences from music of all times not betraying his own musical thinking. For that reason, it's mandatory to have some knowlege of all his evolution to assess his greatness as a composer.

    For example, his late choral works are the complete opposite to his russian ballets. Some of them are dodecaphonic (the cunning guy waited until Schönberg's death, whom he had mocked so much, to begin with dodecaphonism). Some extraordinary works: Chorale-Variations on "Von Himmel hoch", Cantata, Mass, Babel, A Sermon, a Narrative and a Prayer.

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    I have a foot in both camps but my own disappointment with Stravinsky is that he didn't compose more chamber works that go beyond the miniature - they say 'less is more' but I wanted more! On the other hand, had he stopped writing for the ballet after RoS then I'd bemoan that, too. Bartok seems to have a nice balance to his output - not too much of this or too little of that (even the lack of symphonies doesn't appear illogical to me as most of his other orchestral works more than compensate for their absence).

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