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    Default How some people can dislike Stravinsky's neoclassical period?

    Such masterpieces as these ones:

    -Dumbarton Oaks:





    -Symphonies of Wind Instruments



    and others...

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    Its my favorite Stravinsky period. (I personally don't think its coincidental you and I are huge fans of Ravel, and we love Stravinsky's neo-classical period.) There are a lot of similarities between Stravinsky's music of this time and the music of Ravel - modern colors, masterfully orchestrated and very 'clean' well-crafted sounding music. This style seems to be very 'deep' to me and goes beyond just expressing individual emotions, catharsis etc.

    For fans of Stravinsky's neo-classical phase I'd highly recommend this recording:

    Last edited by tdc; Dec-11-2011 at 18:30.

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    The Symphonies Of Wind Instruments is a long time favorite. I'm not as familiar with Dumbarton Oaks. I have the Sony box, so I'll be investigating further.

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    Of course it's because he stopped composing hardcore awesome stuff like the Rite of Spring to compose dinky classical/Baroque inspired, not as hardcore pieces!

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    Quote Originally Posted by violadude View Post
    Of course it's because he stopped composing hardcore awesome stuff like the Rite of Spring to compose dinky classical/Baroque inspired, not as hardcore pieces!
    maybe, but i find the two periods quite impressive. And complementary of each other for the life of a composer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by violadude View Post
    Of course it's because he stopped composing hardcore awesome stuff like the Rite of Spring to compose dinky classical/Baroque inspired, not as hardcore pieces!
    Heh, heh! But Stravinsky was so clever and talented, it's hard not to like many of these neo-classical pieces. Still, those early ballets are very famous for good reason. There not dinky neo works!

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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    Heh, heh! But Stravinsky was so clever and talented, it's hard not to like many of these neo-classical pieces. Still, those early ballets are very famous for good reason. There not dinky neo works!
    i think people don't like his neoclassical works because of pure snobism, they think they are "cool" and modern because they don't like this more "no so hardcore" period. the hell with them... i like both periods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aleazk View Post
    i think people don't like his neoclassiclasical works because of pure snobism, they think they are "cool" and modern because they don't like this more "no so hardcore" period.
    I would think the exact opposite...that the hip modern people would be more inclined to enjoy his neoclassical period because it is in ways, more intellectually stimulating, less big and emotional (the Rite was sort of like a modern version of Rimsky-Korsokov after all) and less cliched and mainstream, more "underground" so to speak

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    Quote Originally Posted by violadude View Post
    I would think the exact opposite...that the hip modern people would be more inclined to enjoy his neoclassical period because it is in ways, more intellectually stimulating, less big and emotional (the Rite was sort of like a modern version of Rimsky-Korsokov after all) and less cliched and mainstream, more "underground" so to speak
    well, but the fact is that people don't like his neo period. and the reason of this, i think, its what i said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aleazk View Post
    well, but the fact is that people don't like his neo period. and the reason of this, i think, its what i said.
    I think maybe if he would have started out with the Neo-classical period it would have been fine. But the truth is, I think many people who hear get that "Rite of Spring adrenaline rush" get their hopes up for more Stravinsky and are disappointed when they hear most of his other music.

    Just my personal opinion anyway. I really love his Neo period though. I consider his Violin concerto in my top 10 favorite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdc View Post
    Its my favorite Stravinsky period. (I personally don't think its coincidental you and I are huge fans of Ravel, and we love Stravinsky's neo-classical period.) There are a lot of similarities between Stravinsky's music of this time and the music of Ravel - modern colors, masterfully orchestrated and very 'clean' well-crafted sounding music. This style seems to be very 'deep' to me and goes beyond just expressing individual emotions, catharsis etc.

    For fans of Stravinsky's neo-classical phase I'd highly recommend this recording:

    hey:



    haha. regards. cheers for maurice and igor.

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    I haven't listened much to Stravinsky, but the Dumbarton Oaks concerto was a favourite from the beginning.
    I had Ravel and Debussy in mind as well when i first heard it, as it seemed to represent some kind of impressionism - as if the thin and small brush strokes were incorporated into music.
    His octet is also quite lovely.

    Oh and his Violin Concerto in D is also lovely!
    Last edited by Chrythes; Dec-11-2011 at 22:06.

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    I should probably keep my mouth shut, but the neo phase doesn't particularly grab me. Nothing personal; I've studied what he's doing and can appreciate his art, but it just hasn't swept me into its arms as of this point. I do hope to develop an affinity for it eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manxfeeder View Post
    I should probably keep my mouth shut, but the neo phase doesn't particularly grab me. Nothing personal; I've studied what he's doing and can appreciate his art, but it just hasn't swept me into its arms as of this point. I do hope to develop an affinity for it eventually.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6bAguMMCkk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOcNp...eature=related


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    Stravinsky's Neoclassical period was a result of the way public attitudes towards life changed after the first world war. Nationalism and Expressionism were considered to be contributing factors to the mental attitudes that led to the war. As a result, Stravinsky, like many other composers, turned to a less overtly emotional style. However, Stravinsky's musical trademarks of layered ostinatos and rhythmic asymmetry are still present in his postwar music. Its the same Stravinsky speaking with a different musical accent.

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