View Poll Results: What do you think of my idea?

Voters
9. You may not vote on this poll
  • Interesting...

    7 77.78%
  • Idiotical...

    1 11.11%
  • Too expensive...

    1 11.11%
Results 1 to 12 of 12

Thread: My idea: a new studio recording of Wagner's Ring, not audio only, but a movie

  1. #1
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    347
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default My idea: a new studio recording of Wagner's Ring, not audio only, but a movie

    I don't know, has anyone thought about that. We have several old studio-recordings of the Ring. Now they prefer to make DVDs with live perfomances.

    My idea is that someone should make a new studio recording, but not an audio-only. I mean, why not make a movie - a "naturalistic" production with ancient times and all special effects in Hollywood style. But with real opera singers and real music, not just some movie about the Nibelungs.
    Maybe, not all 4 operas. Maybe just Die Walkure and Gotterdammerung. And not in Eurotrash style, but in "naive", naturalistic style.

    I think, Wagner would not be against this idea. What do you think of that?

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    347
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Well, maybe it is an unrealistic idea, but I think, that it can solve several problems:
    1) Singing in studio is less difficult for the singers and they can re-record something if it's not good
    2) Wagner wanted his operas to be seen by lots of people. The cinema is the way to do it.
    3) Wagner - I suppose - wanted naturalistic decorations. So, maybe cinema suits him more than theater.
    Last edited by Moscow-Mahler; Jan-09-2012 at 15:04.

  3. #3
    Senior Member Crudblud's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    2,898
    Post Thanks / Like
    Blog Entries
    17

    Default

    I think the idea hits a major snag when you consider financing. I have a hard time believing that a major company, i.e.: one that could actually afford to mount such a gargantuan project, would be willing to take the risk financially. It would probably be the most expensive film project ever, and how many average film-goers do you think will pay to sit and watch people yell at each other in German over dramatic music for four hours apiece? The studio would have to view the project as being monumentally important to even consider doing it when multi-million dollar losses per film are pretty much inevitable.

    But don't get me wrong; I love the idea, and I hope it will become a reality during my lifetime.

  4. Likes Moscow-Mahler liked this post
  5. #4
    Senior Member MAuer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Midwest U.S.
    Posts
    1,613
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I also love the idea (think of the special-effects possibilities), but have to agree with Crudblud that it wouldn't be economically viable. We can dream, however . . .

  6. Likes Moscow-Mahler liked this post
  7. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    347
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Maybe some Arabian prince would become a Wagnerian? :-) But after this project there would be a revolution even in his country. :-)

  8. #6
    Senior Member Couchie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Vancouver, Canada
    Posts
    2,593
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    It's a shame Peter Jackson is such a fan of that "other" Ring and not the better Ring.

  9. #7
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Straya mate
    Posts
    9,329
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Very good idea, but why not just turn the entire Ring Cycle into a series of epic opera films? I'm sure Wagner would be happy with that!

  10. #8
    Senior Member eorrific's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    189
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ComposerOfAvantGarde View Post
    Very good idea, but why not just turn the entire Ring Cycle into a series of epic opera films? I'm sure Wagner would be happy with that!
    With Jack Black as Alberich or Fricka?

    Der Ring deserves a filmed proper traditional staging after so many weird productions, but who would sing it? If only we could raise the dead.

  11. #9
    Senior Member Crudblud's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    2,898
    Post Thanks / Like
    Blog Entries
    17

    Default

    I was actually thinking about this again yesterday, specifically the finale of Götterdämmerung. I was visualising the entire scene, it was really gorgeous. I was thinking that perhaps going a bit against tradition and showing a shot of Wotan looking out at the funeral pyre in the distance before accepting his fate and entering Valhalla as it goes up in flames. I don't know, is that too much of a wink at the camera or could it conceivably be worked in to the sequence? Remember that this is a film, and a long shot of people standing next to a fire for the grand finale is something I don't think would translate so well.

    Some more hypotheticals to think about:

    Siegfried's fight with Fafner, would it need to made more "actiony" for the big screen?

    Alberich's transformations in Rheingold, graphic special effects galore or cut away transitions?

    Is the incest in Die Walküre going to cause problems for the project?

    Is anti-Semitism going to cause problems for the project? I think we're all aware of the large number of Jews currently holding prominent positions in the film industry, especially in the big money areas like Hollywood; suppose this project is proposed and canned purely on the basis of Wagner's anti-Semitic writings and posthumous association with Hitler and the Third Reich. Suppose it is green-lit but then forced in to development hell by an organisation like the ADL? That would be a sad way for such a huge project to go.

    With that last question I'm not trying to paint Jews as unreasonable people, megalomaniacs or money grubbers, I'm just saying that there are some reactionary people among them who have a lot of influence, and they could cause serious problems -even to the point of killing it outright or worse; butchering it and having to have it rewritten to reflect "modern values"- if someone were to try and mount a project like this.

    Hmmm, that was far too serious for my liking.

  12. Likes Moscow-Mahler liked this post
  13. #10
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Straya mate
    Posts
    9,329
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by eorrific View Post
    Der Ring deserves a filmed proper traditional staging after so many weird productions, but who would sing it? If only we could raise the dead.
    Nah, make it entirely science fiction.

  14. #11
    Senior Member Itullian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    California
    Posts
    8,711
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    the ring can fit many interpretations if done intelligently and with some amount of dignity.
    Chereau was a good example. controverial, but dignified.
    it's a great ring, i think.

    it should give you chills, not make you roll your eyes or laugh.
    it's an awesome work.

  15. #12
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    347
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Crudblud View Post
    With that last question I'm not trying to paint....
    Interesting ideas about the movie.

    On the Holywood, well... I am not an American, but I have not heard about e.g. anti-Wagner protests in such city as New York.

    I suppose the producers will care about payback (which is really problematic, as you already mentioned) more then Wagner's political ideas.

    Besides, e.g. Carl Gustav Jung - a famous psychologist - is much more quilty in this case. Suprisingly, most people do not care or do not know.

Similar Threads

  1. Wagner's Ring des nibelungen
    By svsvdb in forum Recorded Music and Publications
    Replies: 64
    Last Post: Apr-27-2018, 16:59
  2. [ASK] Wagner's Ring on DVD
    By czgirb in forum Opera
    Replies: 26
    Last Post: Apr-29-2017, 04:17

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •