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    *sighs loudly* I am sorry, I moved this topic and left a link in the old forum and as i deleted this link, the whole thread was deleted

    Ok let me sum up what we had:

    The main question brought up by Quaverion was whether conducters are redundant or not. Actually many thought that in general the orchestra could play alone, but the conducter is like a high instance which can control from an upper part and focus all energy in himself. Then came up the question about female conducter and that they are really rare to find.

    At last Harvey was sharing his orchester experience with us, that the conducter was really redundant and all were paying attension on the concert master - our Harvey.

    So far as i remember, I am sorry again. Maybe there will go on a fresh new debatte.

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    ...they are not redundant! They add flavour...I love watching the conductor!...:joy:
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    Originally posted by daniel@Jul 31 2004, 11:27 AM
    The main question brought up by Quaverion was whether conducters are redundant or not.
    I didn&#39;t bring that one up. I forget who did, though.
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    oooops, I didn&#39;t remember either, it was a mistake ok up to the anonym donator of this topic :P

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    Originally posted by daniel@Jul 31 2004, 11:27 AM
    *sighs loudly* I am sorry, I moved this topic and left a link in the old forum and as i deleted this link, the whole thread was deleted
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    Turn on the IPB trash can and hide it to all but admin... It&#39;ll let you recover if you make this mistake... and oh, that sounds like a bug in this version of IPB, it should have let you delete the link, but keep the topic...
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    I will do that, thanks, Max, for your great support in all matters&#33;

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    How many people who thought a conductor could be gotten rid of were actually, working ensemble musicians?

    I am, and I think the idea that the conductor can be eliminated, at least for all works, is preposterous. Many works would be completely unplayable without a conductor - for example, Mahler symphonies.

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    I can think of a few conductors who seem redundant. In the past, conductors had a lot more impact than they do today. They were more creative, less like traffic cops.

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    A good conductor is worth his weight in batons; a bad one might as well not even be there.

    A recent example. A few years ago I realized I had no recording of Beethovern's Overture "The Consecration of the House" -- a piece I remembered thinking highly of when younger. Found a cheap Naxos CD of complete Beethoven overtures with one of the Naxos stable of unsung orchestras/conductors. Listened. Thought "yeah, it's nice, but not as good as I remembered." A few months later found a used copy of a Phillips set of complete Beethoven overtures with Kurt Masur. "Consecration" proved not only as good as I had remembered, but better. Similarly with the Leonores and most of the others. I attribute most of the improvement to Masur vs. Conductor X, rather than the orchestras.

    Yes, a good group of musicians doesn't always NEED a conductor, but a good conductor can often get results that the musicians themselves may not be able to.

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    If you've ever been in any ensemble larger than a chamber group, you know how important the conductor is. Somebody has to keep the strings in line. They have absolutely NO sense of rhythym.

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    there is an inevitable time when you need someone to indicate who goes when or when to stand.

    also in rehearsals extra info to the performers such as an appropriate type of ad lib for the style of music.

    and as an mc introducing the songs.

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    Why do all the older posts have random symbols in the middle of the words?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordBlackudder View Post
    and as an mc introducing the songs.
    I have never ever seen this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by violadude View Post
    Why do all the older posts have random symbols in the middle of the words?
    Those were special characters (apostrophes, etc.) they are sometimes represented as so called HTML entities (&entity_name, &entity_number), but for some reason they aren't parsed correctly in this topic.
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    Does a football team need a coach? Nah..they can play by themselves

    Do students need a teacher? Nah...they can learn by themselves

    Do actors need a director? Nah...they can play by themselves

    Does a country need laws? Nah...
    (I could go on...)

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