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    Present generation: Donald Runnicles, Mark Elder, Daniel Harding
    Past: Paul Kletzki, Vernon Handley, Reginald Goodall, Antal Dorati

    Now as to the most overrated... I would certainly put Mehta in the list. I spent many years attending LA Phil concerts and there is not one by Mehta which leaves any positive memories, not something which could be said about those who came after him. The main reason that the LA Phil became such a powerhouse was the management of Ernest Fleischmann.

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    I think that Thierry Fischer is pretty underrated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moscow-Mahler View Post
    Krisps recorded VERY good Mozart, Fricsay made some good (or maybe even great) recordings, but died early. Krisps also did not made much recordings. So, I am not sure, is it possible to compare them with the conductors with much bigger legacy.

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    Is Christoph von Dohnányi underrated? He made some very good recordings with Cleveland Orchestra, he was invited to improve Philharmonia orchestra, but he is stil not very famous....
    Dohnanyi is VERY underrated. I really don't understand why. All his recordings are highly praised, Beethoven, Brahms, Schumann, and many others. But none of them can sell. All went out of print and neve re-issued. The Cleveland Orchestra's name is still tightly tied to Szell and Szell can still sell more CD than Dohnanyi. That's really unfortunate.

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    I guess Ormandy comes to mind first. Sure; he made his share of clunkers and I wouldn't rate him highly in everything (not much of a fan of his Beethoven or Bruckner for instance). But he was among the best in Sibelius and Prokofiev and very good in Shostakovich, Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff and a few others, including Brahms. He also probably improved upon the already great orchestra he inherited from Stokowski and kept it at or near the top of the heap among orchestras for four decades. Some of his greatest recordings are from the late mono period and haven't seen the light of day on commercial CDs.
    I also agree with Scherchen, who is probably my second favorite Beethoven conductor, after Furtwangler.
    Among today's conductors, I agree with Runnicles, who has been very impressive in just about everything I've heard from him. And I'm tempted to say Honeck. The Pittsburgh Symphony is outstanding and he has a great thing going with them, but in my opinion, he is as good as anyone working today and deserving of a post with one of the very top orchestras (he is in his prime now ... some of the conductors with bigger names are younger and while already very good, likely have better years ahead of them). I think Chicago should consider Honeck as Muti's replacement. I believe his contract in Pittsburgh ends around the same time as Muti's in Chicago. I'm almost certain he has guest conducted in Chicago. Berlin could also work if they go with an interim choice for a few years.
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    Two underrated conductors, so underrated that they are not even mentioned here: Eduardo Mata (mexican, who worked a lot in England and US) and Antoni Ross Marbá (catalonian).
    I really like them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliogabo View Post
    Two underrated conductors, so underrated that they are not even mentioned here: Eduardo Mata (mexican, who worked a lot in England and US) and Antoni Ross Marbá (catalonian).
    I really like them.
    Yes, Mata was a fine conductor. Principal conductor of the Dallas Symphony and was about to take over the New Zealand Symphony directorship when he was killed in a plane crash.
    Facts don't care about your feelings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hpowders View Post
    Yes, Mata was a fine conductor. Principal conductor of the Dallas Symphony and was about to take over the New Zealand Symphony directorship when he was killed in a plane crash.
    Yes indeed. He made many good things for music's development here in Mexico. Even if he conducted all over the world, he always came back to give concerts here. He died too young. A pitty, I think the classical music's world in my country would be a bit different if he would lived a little more.

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    Stanislav Skrowaczewski, for his Bruckner.


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    Suitner for Dvořák

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    Yes good Dvorak by Suitner, he is great also in Hindemith, and can be interesting in Mahler and Bruckner too, for example.

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    Colin Davis/Staatskapelle Dresden for Beethoven Symphonies

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    “There has not been a Beethoven cycle like this since Klemperer’s heyday, or Bruno Walter’s, … informed by an imaginative vision that derives … from a certain sense of fundamental wholeness, the conductor and his fellow musicians sufficiently at ease with themselves and the music they are playing to render the task of performing it nothing less than a physical pleasure and a private joy.” Gramophone

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    Anatole Fistoulari - marvellous ballet conductor.
    Ataulfo Argenta - fabulous in everything I've heard him conduct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by omega View Post
    Stanislav Skrowaczewski, for his Bruckner.
    And his Ravel, and his Shostakovich, and his Brahms, and his Beethoven...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dieter View Post
    And his Ravel, and his Shostakovich, and his Brahms, and his Beethoven...
    Interesting post after four years
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    Quote Originally Posted by pentaquine View Post
    Dohnanyi is VERY underrated. I really don't understand why. All his recordings are highly praised, Beethoven, Brahms, Schumann, and many others. But none of them can sell. All went out of print and neve re-issued. The Cleveland Orchestra's name is still tightly tied to Szell and Szell can still sell more CD than Dohnanyi. That's really unfortunate.
    Well, I heard Dohnanyi make his Australian debut here in Sydney last Saturday night conducting an excellent Bruckner 4. It was brisk in spots, but had magical moments. He seems always to have been a low-key conductor. Perhaps as a German who's worked most of his career in the US he's fallen between the cracks somehow?
    I'm inclined to agree with Runnicles a bit too.
    And watch out for a young German called Lothar Koenigs. He'll make a splash.

    Amongst older generations, I think having a great recorded legacy prevents the under-rating. I think a fair chunk of Klemperer's reputation rests on the recordings he made with Walter Legge. Imagine if Jascha Horenstein was the recipient of such documentation. Look how Tennstedt languished until EMI got hold of him...
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