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    I used hd650 with a beautiful tube amp and I was really in heaven. Then I bought a Stax sr507 and 006ts amp and that thing is just wonderful with classical. I highly recommend Stax headphones for classical. They are electrostatic technology.

    I have a digital meridian speaker rig as well.

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    Just purchased a pair of AKG 451s to go with my new iPod Touch. There are many positives, not least the wholly detachable cable, and the amount of bass, but they're a little tiring to wear and having got used to the open backed Grado Sr60is, I find the sound slightly enclosed, lacking treble.

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    I think your current Grados are just fine....open back. I have a couple pairs of Grados 60s and 225s. I prefer open backs for listening at home. Closedbacks are not very comfortable after a while. I use a pair of Sony 7506 if I want to listen with closed back.

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    I was wondering if anyone uses noise cancelling headphones? I was considering this a while back, but what puts me off is not necessarily the price but having the noise so close to my ears. I am worried about noise level. I do suffer from periodic tinnitus and I do have a slight hearing loss at the highest frequencies in my left ear.

    With noise cancelling headphones do people still listen to music too loudly? Can you listen to music at less volume with these headphones?

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    I have the same problems that you have, which is shared by many men as they get older. I use in the ear phones, and play them at medium volume. They block a great deal of the outside noise. The only problem is the correct fit which is very important. I think that you might get better sound with over the ear headphones, but since I can`t use them do to a medical condition I think that 'in the ears" phones are a good choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senza sordino View Post
    I was wondering if anyone uses noise cancelling headphones? I was considering this a while back, but what puts me off is not necessarily the price but having the noise so close to my ears. I am worried about noise level. I do suffer from periodic tinnitus and I do have a slight hearing loss at the highest frequencies in my left ear.

    With noise cancelling headphones do people still listen to music too loudly? Can you listen to music at less volume with these headphones?
    I find volume of sound can be adjusted to about the same. With over ear phones, I find the sound quality is better and more consistent. With in ear, it doesn't take much dislodging of one or both buds to destroy the whole experience.

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    I don't like active noise-cancelling stuff. Unless you buy the top of the line stuff, you're usually better off buying a good set of IEMs or closed cans for noise-isolation. I don't know about volume levels but the way I understand how they work, it should make a difference what volume levels you want/need them to be.

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    I wonder if I'm alone in this. I keep a variety of headphones for use at home and at work (Grado, Beyer, Sennheiser, and I've tried lots of others) but in general I can't get used to headphones. The ones that sound best to me also sit on my ears in ways that are uncomfortable -- even the super pricey Stax, etc. After about an hour, they feel noticeably uncomfortable. Also, in-ear phones don't sound as good and still bug me. Finally, I just find having to hear music in the middle of my head destroys the visual imaging that I find so important to the illusion or real music that I enjoy when listening to classical. In contrast, pop and some jazz works better for me on phones. Now I just listen on phones when I really feel I need background music or as an analytic way of getting at some special details I want to identify (phones are good for this). But for hardcore enjoyment, even of lousy recordings, I prefer my electrostatic based audio system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cournot View Post
    I wonder if I'm alone in this. I keep a variety of headphones for use at home and at work (Grado, Beyer, Sennheiser, and I've tried lots of others) but in general I can't get used to headphones. The ones that sound best to me also sit on my ears in ways that are uncomfortable -- even the super pricey Stax, etc. After about an hour, they feel noticeably uncomfortable. Also, in-ear phones don't sound as good and still bug me. Finally, I just find having to hear music in the middle of my head destroys the visual imaging that I find so important to the illusion or real music that I enjoy when listening to classical. In contrast, pop and some jazz works better for me on phones. Now I just listen on phones when I really feel I need background music or as an analytic way of getting at some special details I want to identify (phones are good for this). But for hardcore enjoyment, even of lousy recordings, I prefer my electrostatic based audio system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cournot View Post
    The ones that sound best to me also sit on my ears in ways that are uncomfortable -- even the super pricey Stax, etc. After about an hour, they feel noticeably uncomfortable. Also, in-ear phones don't sound as good and still bug me. Finally, I just find having to hear music in the middle of my head destroys the visual imaging that I find so important to the illusion or real music that I enjoy when listening to classical.
    I now use Monster Turbine Pro Coppers on my iPhone. Previously I'd used some Shure 'noise-isolating' ones when travelling as they were great on planes and trains BUT these decided to stay on the plane back from Frankfurt recently ... hum ho as someone got a £300 'bonus find' that day ;-(

    Headphones can never create a proper 'soundstage' in your head. 'Over-ear' is better at this than 'in-ear' but what amount to being noisy 'ear muffs' lead to warm ears (and the weight of decent units just makes things worse 'comfortwise') whilst 'sound-staging' is entirely, and exactly, 'in your head' rather than sprawled out in front of you with height, width and depth all playing a part of what is then 'created in your head'.

    Headphones are great for planes and trains BUT are no substitute for loudspeakers and, ideally, just a single pair of them in a 'dedicated' music room. Adding a centre channel, rear speakers and maybe even centre sides is fine in an AV room where one might be listening to something created in 5.1 or 7.1 and/or watching a movie. A sub-woofer may or may not be beneficial in a 'stereo only' set up dependant on bass response of the main speakers and 'matching' BUT when considering all of the above it's amazing that headphones are successful at all, really, with the drive units being 'headwidth' apart rather than 6-9 feet etc etc. Our brains are really good at making something out of the 'confusion' BUT can't place the front and rear of an orchestra in the same way that loudspeakers can or even the left and right properly let alone height.

    Headphones are like a little miracle really.
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    SS,

    I agree with your remarks on phones. That's why for me, they work well for listening to a lot of vocal music such as opera that's poorly recorded. By this I mean, recordings where the singers are too far upfront, immobile in front of a microphone, and where the whole thing has been miked in such a way as to destroy all sense of a performance going on in front of me. With headphones, I just focus on the singing and ignore the lack of balance and spatial detail. On the other hand, the nature of headphones makes my listening a bit too analytic at times because certain details are made more prominent than in a 2 speaker stereo setup.

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    Greetings all!

    This is my second post here on Talk Classical so please pardon my lack of avatar and any information in my Profile...I've read I have to make 10 posts before those aspects of my settings are accessible.

    The headphones and related headphone amp I have used for the past year or so are the Grado SR80's and FiiO's super basic E11. Better than nothing, but as I've recently upgraded my home system, the headphone amp has been on hold...

    ...is there an appropriate place to post what our stereo is comprised of? If so, I'd love to share my first, basic entry level system with you all.

    For now, cheers!

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    I'm currently auditioning some prototype high end headphones and a headphone amp for a manufacturer who is looking for feedback. These are much better than anything I've ever owned, but I don't see any advantage in high end headphone amps. The cans are efficient enough to work well with the output from my iMac, and there really isn't any advantage in sound quality to go out through USB to a headphone amp. Just another fancy black box taking up space on my desk. I suppose if you had headphones with a different impedance, it might be necessary, but for the particular ones I'm using it isn't required. I think the need for headphone amps is often overstated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masada View Post
    The headphones and related headphone amp I have used for the past year or so are the Grado SR80's and FiiO's super basic E11. Better than nothing, but as I've recently upgraded my home system, the headphone amp has been on hold...
    For the money, the Grado SR-80s are one of the best you can get at that price. I am no expert on impedance and all that stuff but I've read many reviews that Grado's in general do not need headphone amps to be driven properly. Unless you have a stupid headphone jack output rated at 220ohms that I have on my NAD, you should be good without an amp.

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    I just ordered a pair of Sennheiser HD 800s--should be here in a few days. I hope they sound good enough plugged straight into my Sony SACD player or my Oppo 105, but nearly everyone says they need a dedicated amp. Great--now I might have to sweet-talk my wife into yet another new purchase!

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