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    Question Anyone have Thielemann's new Beethoven cycle?

    Wanted a review.............

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    I have heard only his Ninth. Which is very good.

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    No Itullian, but you got me really curious. One reviewer said that "Christian Thielemann should certainly remind people [of] Wilhelm Furtwängler." Whoa. http://www.alsosprachanalyst.com/lif...hielemann.html I don't know if that's hyperbole or being plain delusional. But regardless I want to listen to it now.

    Does look like a very nice set though in terms of presentation and deluxe hard-bound book, etc.

    BTW, here are the reviews for the DVD set. They are off the hook:

    “Thielemann´s reading of the Beethoven symphonies stands heads and shoulders above the countless and mostly undistinguishable versions on offer.” Die Presse

    “The performances, the Vienna Philharmonic on top form, can't help sounding wonderful...oddly, it is the discussions that are the most enjoyable elements in this ambitious set.” BBC Music Magazine * * */ *

    “This is growling, mane-shaking Beethoven: a traditional approach to the music with full sound and large forces. Thielemann takes a precise yet lyrical approach to the music, as he discusses and demonstrates in the three hour-long accompanying musicological discussions.” Classic FM Magazine * * * *


    PS -- Yes, we need a TCer who has this set to weigh in! Please!

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    Ok, here's a link to a more substantial review: http://www.musicweb-international.co...ann_703508.htm

    This set, along with Pletnev's, are the ones of recent times that have me very interested. Great to see that new blood can still be infused into these warhorses.

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    Ok, since I'm the only one following up on this thread I will continue the trend.

    I just heard Thielemann's finale to the 3rd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijH70...eature=related

    And I have to say: OMG!

    It rocks! This is balls-to-the-wall Beethoven. With a definite nod to the Old School. Christian truly puts his own stamp on it. After a thrilling opener just listen to how he slams on the brakes at 6:40 and REALLY milks this slow section (I guess it's the "poco andante"?). It makes for an even greater contrast to what went before and what's to come. This is the kind of stuff I would imagine only a Furtwangler or Mengelberg doing.

    And check out 11:52 where Christian gently coaxes his players to take it eaaaasy before the thrilling climax. You gotta love how the guy's conducting with just the fingers of his left hand. He looks like Merlin weaving a spell.

    And I really dig the big, muscular sound of the VPO here. It's got serious WEIGHT to it. None of that fleet-footed wimpy stuff a'la' David Zinman and the like. It's clear the VPO are committed and sensitive to Christian's every direction.

    So, yeah, I guess I'm gonna have to get this set for sure now. Darn it! And I was hoping to avoid getting another Beethoven cycle.

    PS -- Mikhail Pletnev is another guy who apparently does some really different and cool things with B. Some people say he's too "wacko." But other people's "wacko" is my genius.
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    I've read bad reviews too, and Thielemann's Schumann cycle is quite horrendous so I'm scared to try it. Reviews needed.

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    following............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    Wanted a review.............

    Don't go near it. Sluggish tempi. I sampled a while back, and noted it on Current Listening.

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    encouraging since i like Celibidache and Klemperer....................

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    I've only watched the Ninth (and the conversation between Thielemann and that famous old Austrian guy - forgot his name) on Austrian TV. It was not sluggish for me. In fact it was faster then my favourite Solti's famous recording with CSO (the first one).

    But I have not heard the other symphonies.

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    Well, I re-listened to the Ninth on youtube - and had mixed feelings. He should have gotten more angry and militant sound from die Wiener Philharmoniker. They sound too much beautiful sometime.

    And on the Seventh he is too slow.

    Still, I hope someone will decribe his feelings of Thielemann's Die Frau ohne Shatten in the "Opera" sub-forum.

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    Agree, the 7 is way too slow……

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    Is this on DVD or CD set or both? I was wondering which version was being discussed here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    encouraging since i like Celibidache and Klemperer....................
    Stay far away from Thielmann then .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugg View Post
    Stay far away from Thielmann then .
    I need no more Beethoven cycles.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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