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    Abbado a great?
    No I don't think so To use a football analogy he would be a solid premier league team, not a title contender but no danger of relegation. Everton perhaps
    Once you start comparing conductors from the past and now it starts to get like the age old debates about football teams from past and present fun but unprovable.
    I saw Karajan in London not long before he died and one of the things that struck me was that he was a showman far more than any other conductor I have seen. He didn't 'conduct' the BPO just raised his hands and they played, but god did they play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TxllxT View Post






    In practice I do not listen that often to Bernstein & Karajan (who do not profit as much from wonderful recordings) as I do to Abbado, so for me he should be greater...
    I find this post very strange,you don't become great by virtue of recording standards.
    Fools talk because they have to say something, wise men talk because they have something to say.

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    Great ? Muti not at all . Abbado maybe .

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    Quote Originally Posted by itarbrt View Post
    Great ? Muti not at all . Abbado maybe .
    Firm statement, do not agree , Muti is fantastic.

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    Abbado was a great conductor, sometimes excelse, sometimes simply good. Same as Muti in my Humble opinion.

    I simply remember his recordings of Verdi's requiem, Bizet's Carmen, some of Mahler's symphonies...

    Maybe he was not as emblematic as Bernstein or Karajan, but he had better results in some cases.

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    Well . I've got some prejudices about them . A was also a politician ( senatore a vita ( don't tell you for which party )) . His attention for music schools was very relevant . M doesn't since nowadays . A founded many international and national orchestra for young musician . M only in the last years . M abandon La Scala only for money . A was sacked from there for politician reason . A never asked to have soloists + singers he wanted . M instead does . Having listened : prefer A also for his attention of conterporary repetoire .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haydn man View Post
    Abbado a great?
    yes, I think so - I have many of his recordings, and I heard him live a few times - a great Mahler 9 with BPO...the orchestra had some problems, but the conducting was superb....
    Abbado produced some great recordings with so many different orchestras - CSO, LSO, BPO, VPO just to name a few...

    I saw Karajan in London not long before he died and one of the things that struck me was that he was a showman far more than any other conductor I have seen.
    I thought the BPO sounded far better under Abbado than it did under HvK...Abbado could really turn it own, let the orchestra play....

    Muti is very good....haven't decided exactly where he fits on the scale, but he's very solid - I've head some very fine live, and recorded performances from him.

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    Muti is very good....haven't decided exactly where he fits on the scale, but he's very solid - I've head some very fine live, and recorded performances from him.
    His opera recordings are never boring leading by Macbeth and Aida, with the gorgeous voice of Fiorenza Cossotto.
    ( such a fine artist and voice.)

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    Abbado great? Not for me, I'm afraid. I never found anything much to object to in his performances, but not all that much to get excited about either. And I very definitely do not agree that the Berlin Phil sounded better under him than they did under Karajan.

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    I have had his set of Mendelssohn symphonies for a long time, and always liked it very much. I recently bought a set of his Brahms symphonies, based on a very enthusiastic recommendation, but it didn't really grab me. I think the expectation was a mistake. I have put it aside for the moment, and will return to it with a clearer attitude at some point in the future.

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    Absolutely great! Saw a documantary where he said something like "...I like to go walking in the mountains and LISTEN TO THE SNOW FALL". I love that! It's zen :-) I like listening to Mozart & Mendelssohn with him conducting.

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    Superb. I have him to thank for the best recordings of the Brahms symphonies, Mahler 7 and 9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Animal the Drummer View Post
    Abbado great? Not for me, I'm afraid. I never found anything much to object to in his performances, but not all that much to get excited about either. And I very definitely do not agree that the Berlin Phil sounded better under him than they did under Karajan.
    Try his recordings with the The LUCERNE FESTIVAL ORCHESTRA .

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    He got some great performances out of the groups he conducted, so he obviously had some talent. I have not heard enough to hand out any labels beyond that, though. Check out his Mozart piano concertos for some examples of when he was on fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bharbeke View Post
    He got some great performances out of the groups he conducted, so he obviously had some talent. I have not heard enough to hand out any labels beyond that, though. Check out his Mozart piano concertos for some examples of when he was on fire.
    I do think his Beethoven and Mendelssohn are world wide highly recognized also.

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