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    Quote Originally Posted by JAS View Post
    I have had his set of Mendelssohn symphonies for a long time, and always liked it very much. I recently bought a set of his Brahms symphonies, based on a very enthusiastic recommendation, but it didn't really grab me. I think the expectation was a mistake. I have put it aside for the moment, and will return to it with a clearer attitude at some point in the future.
    Confess I had his Mendelssohn symphony 2 and thought the piece dull. However, when I got Karajan's it appeared a different piece. Of course this is only one recording comparison. Abaddo's Magic Flute is probably the best all round on disc - superbly alive performance of his old age,.

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    R.I.P. Claudio Abbado


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaneyes View Post
    R.I.P. Claudio Abbado

    It's only three years ago, seems like much longer.

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    Abbado is one of my favorite conductors but I think it's due in part to before I was into classical music one of my co workers numerous times praised Abbado's Beethoven symphony cycle. Good memories!

    Currently I'm listening to Mozart's Piano Concertos 8 & 27 by Abbado/Serkin.

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    Like any conductor there are duds and good stuff. Never cared for his Beethoven and Mendelssohn symphony cycles much, liked a few of his Mahler but really enjoyed his Brahms.

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    ..............No. Not even close, in my opinion. The only recordings of his that remain in my collection are those where he accompanies Pollini or Argerich. And those are relatively early recordings, before he learned how to properly ruin things.

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    I have never been moved by a Claudio Abbado performance, hence, I believe he was wildly overrated.

    He always seemed to be able to record and conduct the world's greatest orchestras, hence, I believe they "carried" him by being able to play Mahler and Beethoven "in their sleep".
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    Quote Originally Posted by hpowders View Post
    I have never been moved by a Claudio Abbado performance...
    .........Ditto.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by hpowders View Post
    I have never been moved by a Claudio Abbado performance, hence, I believe he was wildly overrated.

    He always seemed to be able to record and conduct the world's greatest orchestras, hence, I believe they "carried" him by being able to play Mahler and Beethoven "in their sleep".
    And to which performance of his have you assisted, if I may.
    If you reflect for a moment about what yourself wrote, i.e., WHY he was "able to record and conduct the world's greatest orchestras", I believe you might get some deeper insight. I hope you don't really believe that orchestras can play Mahler in "their sleep", without a conductor. However, the fact that Claudio Abbado's conducting gave you that impression is the exact measure of his true greatness.

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    Perfect balance and grace on the podium... elegant and stylish.
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    Like most conductors, including many of the cherished 'legends' of the past, Abbado excelled in certain composers, & maybe not so much in others. In my opinion, he was brilliant in music of the 20th century--Bartok, Prokofiev, Stravinsky, Hindemith, Janacek, Nono, etc., & Mozart, most especially, & very good to excellent in Verdi, Scriabin, Ravel, Debussy, Rossini, Tchaikovsky, Mussorgsky, Mendelssohn, Schubert, Beethoven, & Mahler. He was also an excellent opera conductor. Here are links to some of the music that I think Abbado most excelled in (which is enough to call him a great conductor, in my view):

    Bartok The Miraculous Mandarin:


    Bartok Piano Concertos 1 & 2 (with Maurizio Pollini):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYAc8PROp9U
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv6SLY6t4rE

    Prokofiev Symphony No. 1 "Classical" (two great recordings):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3R_NBfO9Nw
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGVSmmyGTcE

    Prokofiev Piano Concerto No. 3, Ravel Piano Concerto (with Martha Argerich), etc.:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKvt...-U920h6JQW25co

    Prokofiev Alexander Nevsky:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VW7GLe0WnE

    Prokofiev Lieutenant Kijé, Scythian Suite:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTKaar_xRNo

    Prokofiev Romeo and Juliet, Ballet Suite:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB18...ZKofM&index=56

    Prokofiev Symphony No. 3 (as with Abbado's Prokofiev 1st, this is one of the great Prokofiev 3rds on record, IMO):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgJu...&start_radio=1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_Jyka1zTfA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1kxe_Il__Q
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c961hEHqMTo

    Prokofiev Violin Concertos 1 & 2 (with Shlomo Mintz):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvZs...jy8s0dJpGM4SqF

    Prokofiev Chout:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiLy...ZKofM&index=38

    Stravinsky The Firebird:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWOpWu9MnZk

    Stravinsky The Rite of Spring:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPm0EDavww0

    Stravinsky Pulcinella Suite:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_ydaNBLzww

    Stravinsky Jeu de Cartes:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj4bdWzTMCk

    Debussy La Damoiselle élue:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNVLTWTHYY4

    Debussy Pelléas et Mélisande:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ4rkSykjn4

    Debussy Prélude à l'Après-Midi d'un Faune:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOd2rHWvDlk

    Debussy Nocturnes:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaaJ...d9C42TLR-DsrGw

    Ravel Daphnis et Chloé:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq3cylIaVGI

    Verdi Simon Boccanegra:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCV8EBHoH-E

    Verdi Don Carlos:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2BPjHEJeZU

    Hindemith Symphonic Metamorphoses on Themes by Carl Maria von Weber:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpu6...ZKofM&index=47

    Luigi Nono:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqJHoIIVajQ

    Scriabin Le Poéme de l'Extase, Op. 54
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbiTDi3g8Yg

    Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto (with Nathan Milstein):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Tzvv9fRCQs

    Janacek: The Diary of One Who Disappeared:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx_X4ONbVUE

    Janacek: Sinfonietta:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ovHkEjAqY

    Mussorgsky:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNKtb2iwqDE

    Mozart Great Mass in C Minor, K. 427 (with Arleen Auger & Barbara Bonney):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEzh...XlmCFA&index=1

    Mozart Symphonies 38 & 41:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VtKy1uXHeg

    Mozart Symphonies 29, 33, 35:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwE3wW9H_NI

    As for Abbado's affinity for Mozart, I doubt that a pianist of Rudolf Serkin's stature as one of the great Mozart (& Beethoven) pianists of the 20th century, would have agreed to record a complete cycle of Mozart Piano Concertos with Abbado, if he didn't think very highly of Abbado's abilities to conduct Mozart.
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    Abbado was highly qualified, comprehensive in repertory, and popular as leader. This gained him admiration after the reign of King Karajan. Their common ground was opera, where they both gave their services to the benefit of others. But while Karajan would lean to a dense, massive style, Abbado would make the Italian opera style his primary approach. In this sense, Abbado was a Toscanini guy, but at a much lower temperature. What's the Italian term for Kappelmeister?

    He did very well with Mahler, but yes he had the right orchestra too. Like Mendelssohn his Tchaikovsky was OK but not great. I can't recall any Bruckner or Shostakovich. His interpretations always sound intelligent and civilized, but perhaps with too much head and not enough gut.
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    I only have a couple of Abbado recordings. The Hindemith Kammermusik on EMI which I enjoy, and Tchaikovsky no.6 on a very bad sounding CD recorded in the 80s so I don't listen to it.
    “Music makes you feel feelings. Words make you think thoughts. But a song can make you feel a thought.”

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    In my opinion, he's one of the best of all time. I understand this isn't a widely held belief, though.

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