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    Default Abbado..............great?

    What do you guys think?

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    Absolutely a master and a good conductor (no doubt) but great ......... if you mean a legendary conductor like Karajan, the answer is No !
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    that's what i mean.........great.

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    Probably not, but I think the time of legendary conductors is over, simply because classical music is so low-key these days. Maybe in 100 years Abbado will be seen as one of the greatest of our time, but today he's not revered like Bernstein or Karajan.

    For what it's worth I think he's good/great around 80% of the time.

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    yeah, i think he's sound and a fine musician, but extraordinary i don't see.
    just mho.

    maybe others do think he's great.............?

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    Well hes probably among the best 1% of conductors alive in the whole world, so once could argue that he is great.
    But more seriously, hes a conductor I can always trust to give a good performance.
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    I wonder, will Bernstein or Karajan be revered in 100 years?
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    Quote Originally Posted by emiellucifuge View Post
    Well hes probably among the best 1% of conductors alive in the whole world, so once could argue that he is great.
    But more seriously, hes a conductor I can always trust to give a good performance.
    If he was in an empty room and somebody said: "Who's the greatest conductor in this room?", the answer would be Abbado. But he is not great , never,never, never in a month of Sundays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneBaroque View Post
    I wonder, will Bernstein or Karajan be revered in 100 years?
    Some people rever them both now, but to me thanks questionable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moody View Post
    Some people rever them both now, but to me thanks questionable.
    see above, it is also questionable with no thanks, this what happens when you've been playing bridge all evening.

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    Abbado is interesting. He also now conducts historically informed performance practice with increasing frequency over the last few years.

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    I just happened on my copy of BBC Music Magazine from April 2011. 100 current conductors were asked to pick the conductors who most inspired them. Nine of them picked Abbado third. Three picked him second. Four picked him first. Overall, he came in third on the list.

    I don't normally put a lot of stock in polls like this, but I'd certainly give more weight to the opinions of actual conductors than I would to "Talk Classical" posters.

    My personal opinion? I think of Abbado as a solid conductor. I've listened to a lot of his recordings and he seldom, if ever, disappoints me. Occasionally great. And, fun to watch on DVD. So, I'd answer the OP, "Yes".

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    I'm with the Crudmeister all the way on this one...those days are gone,...and yes, Leonard and Herbert will be highly regarded 100 and 500 years from now as they were among the few last in what was a supernova of recorded classical music.

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    why "those days are gone?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vesteralen View Post
    I just happened on my copy of BBC Music Magazine from April 2011. 100 current conductors were asked to pick the conductors who most inspired them. Nine of them picked Abbado third. Three picked him second. Four picked him first. Overall, he came in third on the list.

    I don't normally put a lot of stock in polls like this, but I'd certainly give more weight to the opinions of actual conductors than I would to "Talk Classical" posters.

    My personal opinion? I think of Abbado as a solid conductor. I've listened to a lot of his recordings and he seldom, if ever, disappoints me. Occasionally great. And, fun to watch on DVD. So, I'd answer the OP, "Yes".
    We've been through this already on a thread of May 18th, 2011, i would look it up. "Carlos Kleiber Voted Greatest Conductor of All Time" That's not a good start in any case. First of all the panel of conductors were not an inspiring lot themselves so the inspirors didn't do much of a job. They were talking, as we know,of the conductors who INSPIRED them not wh o was great or otherwise. I wonder who you are to dismiss TC posters in such a cavalier fashion. I would think that I have seen more great conductors than most of this panel if not all.I saw Toscanini when he came to England sfter WW11and I have seen most of the "legends". So my opinion is valid as are those of other experienced members that's the whole point of this whole set-up.Abbado is certainly not a great conductor although you are free to think so naturally.We all ,I am sure, look forward to you acquainting us with your experience of "great" symphonic and operatic conductors.

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