Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 22

Thread: Baroque guidance needed

  1. #1
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Bangalow, Australia
    Posts
    20
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Baroque guidance needed

    After several years of primarily listening to the Romantics, I've just started investigating the Baroque. Besides confirming my longstanding love of Vivaldi, I've found Albinoni so far to be more appealing to me than Corelli, Torelli or Zipoli. I haven't really scratched the surface yet of this era and someone 'out there' could save me a lot of time!
    My question: Who in your opinion - or in the opinion of "the critics" - would be considered a great composer from the Baroque? (non-vocal only please)
    Thanks,
    Jim

  2. #2
    Mango
    Guest

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jimji View Post
    After several years of primarily listening to the Romantics, I've just started investigating the Baroque. Besides confirming my longstanding love of Vivaldi, I've found Albinoni so far to be more appealing to me than Corelli, Torelli or Zipoli. I haven't really scratched the surface yet of this era and someone 'out there' could save me a lot of time!
    My question: Who in your opinion - or in the opinion of "the critics" - would be considered a great composer from the Baroque? (non-vocal only please)
    Thanks,
    Jim
    Are you kidding?

  3. #3
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Bangalow, Australia
    Posts
    20
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Mango View Post
    Are you kidding?
    Mango asks if I'm kidding? Hmmm ... At first I didn't understand but I think what you mean Mango is that there are so many great Baroque composers. How long of a list do I want?!
    If that's what you meant, then I wasn't specific enough. My question should have been: Besides Vivaldi, Telemann, Bach of course, Corelli, Torelli, Zipoli ... how about a name or two of 'great' / lesser known, maybe almost 'undiscovered'! composer (s) from the Baroque! Does that narrow it down a little? (again .. non vocal please)
    Jim
    Welcome to a Free Musical Journey http://www.jimsclassicalmusic.com

  4. #4
    Mango
    Guest

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jimji View Post

    .....

    My question: Who in your opinion - or in the opinion of "the critics" - would be considered a great composer from the Baroque? (non-vocal only please)
    As you will see, you asked for the name of a great composer of the Baroque period.

    I took this request in the singular literally, and obviously J S Bach and Handel spring to mind immediately, so I was a little surprised. These two tower above the rest.

    If you want others: Vivaldi, Rameau, D Scarlatti, Telemann, A Scarlatti, Corelli, spring to mind. I take it you don't want mainly vocal composers like Monteverdi.

    I hope these are helpful.

    Your next question might be: what works?

  5. #5
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Bangalow, Australia
    Posts
    20
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Thanks Mango - Rameau I haven't heard of and I didn't realise there were two Scarlattis.
    This is a start! As far as which works ... If I mention that Vivaldi, Albinoni and Telemann are Baroque favourites at this early stage - it would be great to get specific pieces recommended. Thank you,
    Jim
    Welcome to a Free Musical Journey http://www.jimsclassicalmusic.com

  6. #6
    Mango
    Guest

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jimji View Post
    Thanks Mango - Rameau I haven't heard of and I didn't realise there were two Scarlattis.
    This is a start! As far as which works ... If I mention that Vivaldi, Albinoni and Telemann are Baroque favourites at this early stage - it would be great to get specific pieces recommended. Thank you,
    Jim
    I used to be a big fan of Baroque, and J S Bach in particular. But I've followed the reverse path to you, and became much more interested in later music (Classical, Romantic, Modern).

    Some of my (still) favourite non-vocal works by J S Bach are:

    • Violin Concerto No. 1 in A minor
    • Goldberg Variations
    • Well-Tempered Clavier
    • Passacaglia and Fugue in C minor
    • Violin Partita No. 2 in D minor
    • Violin Sonata No. 1
    • Concerto for 2 Violins in D minor
    • Cello Suite No. 3 in C major
    • Brandenburg Concerto No. 2 in F major
    • Brandenburg Concerto No. 5 in D major
    • Brandenburg Concerto No. 3 in G major
    • Toccata and Fugue in D minor
    • Art of the Fugue
    • Fantasia and Fugue in G minor
    • Musical Offering
    • Orchestral Suite No. 2 in B minor

    I hope you realise that by excluding vocal works you are missing a lot of superb works.

    I'm sure others will join in, and soon you'll be inundated. If not, I'll come back with some recommendations for other major Baroque composers.

  7. #7
    Senior Member Leporello87's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    San Francisco, California, USA
    Posts
    177
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jimji View Post
    how about a name or two of 'great' / lesser known, maybe almost 'undiscovered'! composer (s) from the Baroque!
    For a composer in this category, I would definitely recommend you check out Zelenka, whose music I've only started to get into recently. Some absolutely lovely music and highly contrapuntal/fugal, though in a very different manner from J.S. Bach, the essentially universally acknowledged master of the fugue.

  8. #8
    Senior Member Handel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Québec City, Québec
    Posts
    391
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Me.

















    At first, I discovered the wonders of classical music through the marvels of its baroque period and especially those from Mr. Handel, which explain my forum nickname. About 10 years ago, my interest leaned over classical period and Herr Haydn's production. The music bus recently drove me to the early 1800s. Where will it end?

  9. #9
    Alnitak
    Guest

    Default

    May I advertise the greatest French baroque composers:
    Jean Philippe Rameau
    François Couperin
    Marc-Antoine Charpentier
    Jean-Baptiste Lully

    Sainte-Colombe : the master of the viola da gamba:
    I recommend you the film inspired by the life of Monsieur de Sainte-Colombe entitled, “Tous les matins du monde” with Jean-Pierre Marielle as Sainte-Colombe and Gérard Depardieu as the aged Marin Marais...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoXrMOsnRVo

    .
    Last edited by Alnitak; Jul-02-2007 at 18:07.

  10. #10
    Alnitak
    Guest

    Default

    I understand that everybody doesn’t like French baroque Music, even French people…
    JJ Rousseau used to compare French Music with the scream of the diarrhoea ! ("le cri de la colique")

  11. Likes Mowgli liked this post
  12. #11
    Senior Member Handel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Québec City, Québec
    Posts
    391
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    French baroque music was a sub-culture of the baroque style. I do not mean that their music was subpar but rather specific to the country.

    Of course, french style influenced Europe (i.e. french ouvertures) but they use some patterns that were absent elsewhere in Europe. For example, the vocal style was different of the italian bel canto who was having overwhelming influence elsewhere in Europe.
    At first, I discovered the wonders of classical music through the marvels of its baroque period and especially those from Mr. Handel, which explain my forum nickname. About 10 years ago, my interest leaned over classical period and Herr Haydn's production. The music bus recently drove me to the early 1800s. Where will it end?

  13. #12
    Senior Member Ciel_Rouge's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Szczecin, Poland
    Posts
    231
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I would also suggest:

    1. Marin Marais (mentioned alongside Sainte-Colombe depicted in the film All the Mornings in the World)
    2. Johann Pachelbel
    3. Benedetto Marcello

  14. #13
    Senior Member Mark Harwood's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Isle of Arran, Scotland.
    Posts
    284
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Sylvius Leopold Weiss, 1686-1750.
    Contemporary of J.S. Bach, and considered to be the greatest composer of music for the lute in the Baroque era. Try any disc of his music.
    "Music is a social act of communication among people, a gesture of friendship, the strongest there is."
    - Malcolm Arnold.

  15. #14
    Senior Member Ciel_Rouge's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Szczecin, Poland
    Posts
    231
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Girolamo Frescobaldi

  16. #15
    Senior Member Weston's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Tennessee
    Posts
    6,982
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I would not completely dismiss vocal baroque. It was baroque vocal works that finally got me into that style of art music singing as opposed to pop of folk style singing. Before focusing on those I had considered it just so much bellyaching.

    Were it not for Bach's Peasant Cantata and St. Matthew Passion and Handel's Messiah and Dettingen Te Deum, I could not now fully experience Beethoven's 9th as I do. I still have a little trouble with most vocal music from the Romanitc period however. It's still bellyaching.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Is it weird to listen Baroque music nowadays?
    By fox_druid in forum Community Forum
    Replies: 33
    Last Post: May-15-2014, 23:32
  2. Malmsteen's Baroque and Roll
    By Edward Elgar in forum Non-Classical Music
    Replies: 27
    Last Post: Mar-22-2012, 15:26
  3. interesting topic-Romantic vs Baroque
    By DW in forum Classical Music Discussion
    Replies: 47
    Last Post: Mar-18-2012, 22:42
  4. Help Needed With Composer and Song Name
    By bubka21 in forum Recorded Music and Publications
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: Aug-01-2006, 22:40
  5. The art of baroque music?
    By Poeme_elegiaque in forum Solo & Chamber Music
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: Apr-18-2006, 02:36

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •