View Poll Results: Sir John Eliot Gardiner - One of the Greatest Conductors?

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  • Agree - Sir John is one of the finest conductors. I rate him highly.

    31 55.36%
  • Disgree - Sir John is mediocre at best, another marketing hype.

    8 14.29%
  • Indifferent with Sir John's conducting - I have often experienced better and also worse.

    17 30.36%
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    Quote Originally Posted by tgtr0660 View Post
    I'd have another option on this poll: "A great conductor". Sometimes among the greatest, sometimes among the worst
    As for any conductor on the planet who records, one is bound to find someone who agrees with this option you suggested. Generic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manxfeeder View Post
    I hesitatingly voted indifferent, because I think he is a particularly fine vocal conductor. His instrumental recordings sometimes disappoint me in that he sacrifices soul for historicity. He's been better recently, however.
    Well, you invented a new word---historicity ??? Good gracious me!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComposerOfAvantGarde View Post
    Sir John Eliot Gardiner is one of the greatest conductors on the planet.
    Curb your enthusiasm---they can't all be the greatest, the people you mention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moody View Post
    Well, you invented a new word---historicity ??? Good gracious me!!!
    According to page 665 of Webster's New World Dictionary, it's a word.

    Historicity is also a nice little suburb outside of Metropolis. Superman gets his dry cleaning done there.
    Last edited by Manxfeeder; Feb-23-2012 at 14:32.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarpsichordConcerto View Post
    As for any conductor on the planet who records, one is bound to find someone who agrees with this option you suggested. Generic.
    One is bound to find someone who agree with "greatest ever" or "worst ever" too so I don't see any point being made.

    As for HIP conductors, I find Herreweghe more consistent, Suzuki in the same league as Gardiner, and Harnoncourt below him. Koopman and Rene Jacobs are on par with JEG. (for my taste of course).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manxfeeder View Post
    According to page 665 of Webster's New World Dictionary, it's a word.

    Historicity is also a nice little suburb outside of Metropolis. Superman gets his dry cleaning done there.
    OK! OK! I believe you--but it's ugly, is it not ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarpsichordConcerto View Post
    That's an admirable collection/suggestion there, StlukesguildOhio. I have nearly all of them. I would also add the complete Mozart piano concertos with Malcolm Bilson (fortepiano) (and with other soloists for the concertos for more than one piano), with the English Baroque Sololists. Outstanding in every way. I think they now come in a budget priced box-set with a different cover to the one pictured below, if you are interested:-




    Budget priced version
    For Mozart's concertos, I agree, certainly a cheap version...

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    Quote Originally Posted by moody View Post
    OK! OK! I believe you--but it's ugly, is it not ?
    I suppose, but that's the problem with English. If we wanted pretty, we'd all be speaking Italian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moody View Post
    Curb your enthusiasm---they can't all be the greatest, the people you mention.
    Conductors I do not like: ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........................

    .............I don't have much of an opinion on Karajan................
    Last edited by ComposerOfAvantGarde; Feb-24-2012 at 11:23. Reason: Typo on "Karajan"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manxfeeder View Post
    I suppose, but that's the problem with English. If we wanted pretty, we'd all be speaking Italian.
    Quite right,but I think that word is probably American which is a language on its own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComposerOfAvantGarde View Post
    Conductors I do not like: ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........................

    .............I don't have much of an opinion on Krajan................
    Don't start anything else up about Krajan (whatever) it's liable to start ructions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moody View Post
    Don't start anything else up about Krajan (whatever) it's liable to start ructions.
    OK. Thanks for the advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarpsichordConcerto View Post
    On the contrary, I find Sir John's recording of the Brahms symphonies the finest I have yet listened to. (Likewise with the Schumann symphonies for example). His version of A German Requiem also trumps. So there, you little porky!
    The finest you have yet listened to, you must have lived a sheltered life!

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    I don't think much of JEG I must be honest, and for an insight into his character, refer you to the passages relating to him in John Drummond's autobiography, "Tainted by Experience". Can't be doing with Norrington either. A friend of mine once auditioned for him (RN) many years ago, when he was in charge of Kent Opera. When he'd finished singing, Norrington said to him, "I think the first thing you need to do is go home and throw all your Gigli records into the dustbin." My friend told him what he thought of him then turned on his heels and walked out. As he remarked to me later, "The bloody cheek of the man!"

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    The early Erato recording of Händel´s "L´Allegro, Il Penseroso ..." is probably my favourite recording by him. A lot of his stuff I´m not very fond of, it´s too leight-weight HIP in the style for my taste. I listen to the big Bach box on DG-Archiv sometimes too (23CD), but generally prefer other recordings. My impression is admittedly somewhat superficial though.
    Don´t own any of his symphony recordings though, partly as a result of these views, but have heard a good deal of excerpts of them. He seems to have begun taking up later repertoire too, such as Holst, & this might prove interesting (Mahler with Gardiner ? ;-))
    Last edited by joen_cph; Sep-15-2013 at 10:16.

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