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    Quote Originally Posted by Heck148 View Post
    Solti's CSO Bruckner set is really marvelous....Solti is often accused of just aiming for the high spots, being overly dramatic at the big climaxes, etc, etc...but for Bruckner...what could be better?? his music just thrives on the tension-release formula - the long crescendi to shattering climax...Solti/CSO deliver big time with fabulous, exciting presentations that do not neglect the quieter sections...Also - Solti generally moves things along, which prevents the often problematic disjointed, episodic appearance of Bruckner's symphonies...they can sound "disconnected". Solti ties things together very well - keeps the drama flowing...some find Solti's Bruckner to be too brash, too flamboyant, too brilliant, etc...but it is thrilling to hear.

    #3 - a real highlight....along with Barenboim's CSO version my favorite..actually Solti drives it along better.
    #4 - Solti's is very good, but I prefer Barenboim/CSO and Walter/ColSO...Barenboim's is amazing....incredible dynamic range, and flexibility of phrasing, esp in the brass...
    #5 - I've never clicked with this work, and as I posted on a different thread - it seems disjointed, episodic to me...of all the versions I've heard, Solti does the best job of keeping it together, at least for me.

    #'s 6,7,8,9 - all totally top-notch - great recordings - #6 has electric excitement from the get-go - the nervous "radio-telegraph morse code" in the violins setting the tone right from the edge.
    #7 - overall my favorite B7, in a hugely competitive field. Every mvt is excellent - Great Adagio, Scherzo...I heard them play it live in Carnegie Hall - magical - the opening was inaudible....you never actually heard the violins start the tremolo..it just sort of "appeared".
    #8 - Solti recorded it twice - with VPO in '60s, with CSO in '90/live from Leningrad when CSO was on tour. Again - Solti really moves it along, with some incredible orchestra work...I believe this recording presents the biggest brass section sound I've ever heard on a recording!! really incredible...
    #9 - my favorite B9 - Solti just gets it right, throughout....I esp love the long tenor tuba sections in the finale, so beautifully done....these finicky instruments can be troublesome...really barbaric energy and rhythm in the scherzo...
    I've not listened too much to the early symphonies as of yet....at present, for me, Bruckner's "arrival" as a major symphonist seems to start with #3...
    Thanks for your enthusiastic plea. To me, however, Solti and the Chicago fanfare blow Bruckner to pieces. I prefer my bruckner to be served more subtle and natural. I agree with you on starting with #3. To me, a good set would consist of:
    #3: VPO Haitink
    #4: MPO Celi
    #5: BPO Wand/Harnoncourt, BRSO Haitink
    #6: MPO Celi
    #7: VPO Karajan, BPO Wand
    #8: VPO Boulez/Haitink/Karajan, BPO Wand
    #9: Lucerne Abbado, RCO Haitink, BPO Wand, VPO Giulini

    #5 would be my first choice of the cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NLAdriaan View Post
    Thanks for your enthusiastic plea. To me, however, Solti and the Chicago fanfare blow Bruckner to pieces. I prefer my bruckner to be served more subtle and natural. I agree with you on starting with #3.
    I love it blown to pieces!! I love a brilliant brassy sound for Bruckner, Wagner, Mahler....i don't care for this present trend of using rotary valve trumpets for all Bruckner...it's too blendy, mellow, round. I like the brilliance of the piston valves - for me the balance of cylindrical bore instruments (trumpets, trombones) with conical bore instruments (horn, tuba) is best preserved with piston valve trumpets...gives that needed brilliance when required....that said, the VPO gets quite a good, brilliant sound from the rotary trumpets...

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    Rejected why? Please excuse my ignorance, I'm a neophyte to Bruckner in the grand scheme of things but I am curious to hear Knappertsbusch's Bruckner.
    There have been many heated debates as to the "best" editions of Bruckner's symphonies. He was an inveterate reviser, and late in his life revised editions of his symphonies were issued in collaboration with the Schalk brothers and/or Ferdinand Loewe. There are three issues about those editions.

    1. To what extent were the changes in those editions approved by Bruckner? A few of the changes certainly originated from Bruckner himself; a few others originated with the revisers but were explicitly approved by Bruckner; but others, no doubt, were made by the revisers without consulting Bruckner at all. Thus, in my view, the question of Bruckner's "final wishes" can never be fully determined.

    2. Some listeners find the Schalk/Loewe editions esthetically preferable (regardless of their authenticity or lack thereof); others emphatically find the reverse. (And I suspect that quite a few listeners simply don't notice the difference.)

    3. The situation was complicated by politics. Bruckner's late collaborators were Jewish, and in 1930s Germany this was held up as an arch-example of innocent Aryan genius misled by furtive Jewish cunning. (Bruckner's great editor Haas was an enthusiastic advocate of Hitler's racial theories.)

    The ever-invaluable website www.abruckner.com has nearly (not quite!) accurate lists of which recordings follow which editions of the various symphonies. Loewe's edition of No. 4 was recorded by Furtwängler and Bruno Walter, as well as Knappertsbusch, but for most of the other symphonies, Kna's are the only significant recordings of the Schalk/Loewe editions.

    The Eloquence set may be particularly attractive because it contains precisely the four symphonies (3, 4, 5, and 8) where the Schalk/Loewe editions are likely to preserve a substantial proportion of changes authorized or approved by Bruckner himself.
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    ^Thanks for the explanation. I'm quite familiar with the problem of many versions, many revisions in Bruckner's music, but I hadn't heard much about the Schalk/Loewe editions before.

    @Heck, I listened to the first movement of Solti's Bruckner 3. This is definitely quite different from most of the Bruckner I know and love, but wow, that was killer! Thanks for the recs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    ^Thanks for the explanation. I'm quite familiar with the problem of many versions, many revisions in Bruckner's music, but I hadn't heard much about the Schalk/Loewe editions before.
    Yes, until recently it seemed as if the S/L editions had fallen off the radar altogether: the only debates were Haas vs Nowak in 8, Linz vs Vienna in 1, etc.

    I think listeners today may be becoming more pluralistic, less inclined to stamp any one edition as unequivocally the "best," more inclined to feel that different editions may be attractive in different ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gvn View Post
    Yes, until recently it seemed as if the S/L editions had fallen off the radar altogether: the only debates were Haas vs Nowak in 8, Linz vs Vienna in 1, etc.

    I think listeners today may be becoming more pluralistic, less inclined to stamp any one edition as unequivocally the "best," more inclined to feel that different editions may be attractive in different ways.
    That sounds like a good thing, no?

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    Considering multiple editions, you should give B4/Inbal (original version) a good listen, it's almost like a new Bruckner symphony you've never heard before!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azol View Post
    Considering multiple editions, you should give B4/Inbal (original version) a good listen, it's almost like a new Bruckner symphony you've never heard before!
    Is this (for reference) the recoding you are referring to by Inbal?


    https://www.amazon.com/Bruckner-Symp.../dp/B00021T5SU

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    Quote Originally Posted by NLAdriaan View Post
    Thanks for your enthusiastic plea. To me, however, Solti and the Chicago fanfare blow Bruckner to pieces. I prefer my bruckner to be served more subtle and natural. I agree with you on starting with #3. To me, a good set would consist of:
    #3: VPO Haitink
    #4: MPO Celi
    #5: BPO Wand/Harnoncourt, BRSO Haitink
    #6: MPO Celi
    #7: VPO Karajan, BPO Wand
    #8: VPO Boulez/Haitink/Karajan, BPO Wand
    #9: Lucerne Abbado, RCO Haitink, BPO Wand, VPO Giulini

    #5 would be my first choice of the cycle.
    Any opinion on the 1978 Stuttgart RSO Celi 4th?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spy Car View Post
    Is this (for reference) the recoding you are referring to by Inbal?


    https://www.amazon.com/Bruckner-Symp.../dp/B00021T5SU

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    Yes, that's the one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azol View Post
    Considering multiple editions, you should give B4/Inbal (original version) a good listen, it's almost like a new Bruckner symphony you've never heard before!
    I keep forgetting I have that cycle. It used to always come up in Bruckner lists, but it seems to have faded away recently.

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