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    I've finally started to connect with Bruckner #5....it's taken a long time!!
    Tried many different versions....it's just so sprawly, episodic, disconnected....esp, the Finale, which has always seemed very episodic, disconnected...
    I can't say I'm crazy about mvts 1-3 [yet], but the finale has arrived - it has been Solti/CSO that's done the trick for me - great playing!! and Solti connects it quite well....there are still breaks, disconnects, but Solti keeps it moving, and builds powerfully to the climactic conclusion....amazing sound from the orchestra!! wow!!....

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    Recently discovered the Asahina / Osaka Philharmonic 1975 recording live at St. Florian. It is truly exceptional. Two moments especially stand out:

    1) the ending of the first movement in which the magnificently warm Wagner-tuba notes really stand out (which are almost inaudible in most performances) and

    2) a brief moment between the 2nd and 3rd movements where the whole orchestra pauses so you can here the bells of the Sankt Florian cathedral chime. Magical!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heck148 View Post
    I've finally started to connect with Bruckner #5....it's taken a long time!!
    Tried many different versions....it's just so sprawly, episodic, disconnected....esp, the Finale, which has always seemed very episodic, disconnected...
    I can't say I'm crazy about mvts 1-3 [yet], but the finale has arrived - it has been Solti/CSO that's done the trick for me - great playing!! and Solti connects it quite well....there are still breaks, disconnects, but Solti keeps it moving, and builds powerfully to the climactic conclusion....amazing sound from the orchestra!! wow!!....
    So Heck, you are my opening into this thread which I believe I am going to love! Years ago I went to hear the Yale Philharmonia play Bruckner 5. Looked forward to it a lot because I wanted to experience at least one major symphony for the first time live, the way people had to for so long . I was already a big Bruckner fan. Big miss! I blamed it on the Yale Phil, which had not yet taken the steps forward they were about to, as being simply overmatched. I found it big and formless with one gorgeous melody sitting in the middle. I bought Von Dohnanyi's recording somewhere along the line and came around a little but it really comes off the shelf .... Possibly the least! Sounds like Solti helps but to a point. Can't tell if what sounds like a natural tendency towards enthusiasm on your part isn't stepping forward after so many misses. You liked....the final movement....not without reservations!

    PS I didn't go away empty because I got my first listen to Schubert 5!!! Not too shabby a consolation prize!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottK View Post
    .......... Sounds like Solti helps but to a point. Can't tell if what sounds like a natural tendency towards enthusiasm on your part isn't stepping forward after so many misses. You liked....the final movement....not without reservations!
    I doubt that B5 will ever become my favorite Bruckner Symphony, but I've started to like it a bit more....I really had quite a number of "misses".....the finale is quite the spectacular, but, it is episodic and a bit disjointed....The whole work is like Anton at his most expansive form-wise....

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    I can't get into other recordings anymore after becoming used to the following live recordings by Wand / NDR orchestra....

    The 9th here was recently uploaded again by NDR's own Youtube channel.
    Despite the church acoustics, it works for me, it actually fits the music.

    I have tried, but there's nothing that pleases me as much as these. Especially NOT Celibidache, what a joke...
    I also can't possibly imagine any recording of the finale of the 5th better than this one.

    5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJqC0-ohnQA
    8: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk04chBNMW0
    9: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0M4RkMLqC8

    Or how about that coda of the first movement of the 9th?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heck148 View Post
    I've finally started to connect with Bruckner #5....it's taken a long time!!
    Tried many different versions....it's just so sprawly, episodic, disconnected....esp, the Finale, which has always seemed very episodic, disconnected...
    I can't say I'm crazy about mvts 1-3 [yet], but the finale has arrived - it has been Solti/CSO that's done the trick for me - great playing!! and Solti connects it quite well....there are still breaks, disconnects, but Solti keeps it moving, and builds powerfully to the climactic conclusion....amazing sound from the orchestra!! wow!!....
    Great! I recommend Wand/NDR as posted above.
    Just listened to Solti/CSO, it's a fine effort but not as great as Wand. Wand lets the music breathe more. I think Wand's tempi are just right.
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    dunno boss goin on here
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    Years ago, I never realised that one day I'd consider Bruckner 5 as one of Bruckner's greatest utterances. I do now, as do many others ......

    Current faves:

    Karajan BPO 1970s (DG)
    Sinopoli Dresden (DG)
    Jochum Concertgebouw 1986 Live (Tahra)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeepR View Post
    Great! I recommend Wand/NDR as posted above.
    Just listened to Solti/CSO, it's a fine effort but not as great as Wand. Wand lets the music breathe more. I think Wand's tempi are just right.
    I've heard several Wand Bruckner recordings...no thanx....one problem was his orchestra(s)...i remember one in which the brass ensemble was terrible - a 2nd trombone sticking out like a sore thumb, constantly overblowing the first....that got old in a hurry....
    For Bruckner, i need first class brass ensemble - Chicago, ViennaPO (under the right conductor); i like LeningradPO too, the Russian flavor takes some getting used to....
    My favorite Bruckner conductors are non-Teutonic (Walter excepted) - Solti, Matacic, Barenboim, Mravinsky.

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    Wand’s Bruckner is great, especially the 5th, 8th, and 9th. He really gives them the space they need for the full impact to come across.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heck148 View Post
    I've heard several Wand Bruckner recordings...no thanx....one problem was his orchestra(s)...i remember one in which the brass ensemble was terrible - a 2nd trombone sticking out like a sore thumb, constantly overblowing the first....that got old in a hurry....
    For Bruckner, i need first class brass ensemble - Chicago, ViennaPO (under the right conductor); i like LeningradPO too, the Russian flavor takes some getting used to....
    My favorite Bruckner conductors are non-Teutonic (Walter excepted) - Solti, Matacic, Barenboim, Mravinsky.
    Try Wand's recordings with the Berliner Philharmoniker instead of the NDR and let us know what you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeepR View Post
    9: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0M4RkMLqC8

    Or how about that coda of the first movement of the 9th?
    The sound of the orchestra is good and powerful but this seems to have a drawback. The fine-tuning of the balance of the instruments is impaired at this power level. The melody of the horns No. 3,4,7 and 8 is indistinct. The coda is supposed to be a conversation between these horns and the trumpets. The stomping of all the other instruments is not the most important thing.

    Also why isn't there more emphasis on the return of the main theme in bar 563 four bars before the end? A ritardando in the bar before would help a lot. But Wand conducts punctual like a clock work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aries View Post
    ....The fine-tuning of the balance of the instruments is impaired at this power level. The melody of the horns No. 3,4,7 and 8 is indistinct. The coda is supposed to be a conversation between these horns and the trumpets. The stomping of all the other instruments is not the most important thing.
    Also why isn't there more emphasis on the return of the main theme in bar 563 four bars before the end? A ritardando in the bar before would help a lot. But Wand conducts punctual like a clock work.
    Good listening!! there are quite a number of issues with this one....

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