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    I am not speaking of video game music. I was wondering if there were composers that are but just don't sound classical?

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    I'm kind of unsure what exactly you mean?

    But I'll just briefly give what I may think is relevant, given what you've said. I mean by that, classical that incorporates or refers to other musical genres/traditions.

    Classical music incorporating -

    ... jazz, plenty here, eg. -
    Ravel - Piano Concerto in G (movements I & III)
    Gershwin - basically all of his stuff
    Stravinsky - Ebony Concerto, Dumbarton Oaks Concerto, Ragtime

    ...rock music - Andrew Lloyd Webber's Variations for cello and rock group written for his brother Julian (it's on that famous Paganini tune, the 24th caprice)

    ...techno - Thomas Ades' Asyla, the third movement Ecstasio, named after the ecstasy tablet, comes across as Rite of Spring meets techno

    ...R&B - Aussie composer Matthew Hindson has done stuff like this, his work for chamber orchestra called Comin' right atcha is based on a riff from a James Brown song. I discussed it in THIS post a while ago.

    ...electronics - A lot of electronic music sounds to me to be less classical and more like electronica, less mainstream kinds of techno or dj's mixes. The big differences is the lack of a constant dancy beat in the classical pieces (but even in the non-classical things, use of rhythm is often quite sophisticated, the beat always changes, just like in classical). The boundaries between "high" and "low" art are virtually non-existent now, with regards to contemporary musics.

    ...folk traditions/world music - eg. Steve Reich's percussion works based on West AFrican drumming. Same with things like Xenakis' Pleiades for percussion (the last movement is very similar to African music). Not to speak of "crossover" artists like Ravi Shankar who've been doing stuff for decades.

    ...Easy listening - eg. another Aussie, Graham Koehne, wrote a piece called Elevator Music, a kind of tribute to guys like Harry Mancini and Mantovani, composers of that type of light/easy music genre written for classical instruments...
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    Indeed.

    What does "classical music" sound like?

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    It is an odd question...If something doesn't sound classical why would it be categorized as classical?

    If you are talking about classical music that doesn't sound like what people usually think of as classical music...well even Prokofiev fits that description for many.

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    Well I just mean stuff that is but just doesn't have the typical sound that people associate. Like maybe something that could be for a movie score or whatnot. I'm asking because most of my compositions don't have the typical sound of what you'd think of classical music.

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    Erik Satie maybe. Sounds more like Jazz.

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    Some composers obviously exploring border territories are

    Nikolai Kapustin (only composes jazz somewhat in classical forms),
    Georgy Dorokhov and Lucia Dlugoszewski (rethinking the instrumental possibilities; musical theatre & sound sculptures, though somewhat a la Helmuth Lachenmann & Mauricio Kagel),
    Colin Nancarrow (mechanical pianos),
    Colin McPhee (inspiration from Balinese music)

    The "Fluxus" movement´s concert events (1960s, 1970s) questioning traditional concert life;

    DADA and futurism (Russolo noise music, some Mosolov etc.).

    But I think we´ll very quickly be moving into a discussion of the avantgarde concept ... :-).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manok View Post
    I was wondering if there were composers that are but just don't sound classical?
    Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart doesn't sound classical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argus View Post
    Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart doesn't sound classical.
    Black Sabbath sounds classical.

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    ACDC also sounds very classical. (sarcasm)

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarpsichordConcerto View Post
    Black Sabbath sounds classical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argus View Post
    www.black-sabbath.com/vb/forum.phpCached It's a lovely site. Many enjoy it there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarpsichordConcerto View Post
    www.black-sabbath.com/vb/forum.phpCached It's a lovely site. Many enjoy it there.
    Remind me, who mentioned Black Sabbath first in this thread?

    I posted that track to show Black Sabbath sounding slightly classical. Can you, HC, find me a piece by Mozart that sounds slightly classical?

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    Mozart is the definition of classical. He was even in the Classical Era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neoshredder View Post
    Mozart is the definition of classical. He was even in the Classical Era.
    If Mozart is the definition of classical, then why doesn't more classical music resemble the sound of soggy **** cheeks slapping together.

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