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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonetan View Post
    From a 2017 review written by a Nick Perdian who writes for Seen & Heard:

    Not since Marlene Dietrich has a singer looked as alluring as Netrebko does in a military cap. Even in rather plain attire, Netrebko radiated the same aura of glamour, mystery and intrigue as did Dietrich in her great film roles. It just comes naturally to her. She exhibited those same qualities some 15 years ago when I first heard her at New York’s Metropolitan Opera in Prokofiev’s War and Peace. The New York Times reported then that she had a ‘clear, ample, cool Nordic voice’. These days it is more often described as smoldering.

    I am not sure which adjectives to use, but suffice to say Netrebko’s Leonora was pretty spectacular. She managed to keep all of that star mega wattage and smoldering sensuality in check, and her Leonora was all the more effective for it. The bottom of her voice has become richer with time, but the top has lost none of its fullness or beauty. She can float breathtaking pianissimos, pop out dazzlingly coloratura and turn a delicate trill, all the while sculpting musical lines of absolute beauty. I live in the present, not the past. So go ahead, name a soprano who can even approach her in the role nowadays.


    Is this crazy talk??
    Well, he does say he lives in the present, not the past. Not me. I need the past in order to have some reason to get up in the morning.

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    Here's a clip from last year -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCXKi1Mf9OA

    Sounds pretty good to me honestly. I'd say it's an exaggeration to say Netrebko's top has lost none of the beauty and fullness -- her high notes are notably thinner and less beautiful than it was a decade earlier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUdgkmyZGLE. Still, noting that someone's voice at 48 is not what it was at 39 is hardly a major revelation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howlingfantods View Post
    Here's a clip from last year -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCXKi1Mf9OA

    Sounds pretty good to me honestly. I'd say it's an exaggeration to say Netrebko's top has lost none of the beauty and fullness -- her high notes are notably thinner and less beautiful than it was a decade earlier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUdgkmyZGLE. Still, noting that someone's voice at 48 is not what it was at 39 is hardly a major revelation.
    Whatever the state of her voice, I have to say that that is the most rhythmically flabby, self-indulgent performance I've ever heard. Even worse than late Caballe. Does she think that's expressive? It isn't the voice it once was, but I could deal with that if she'd really sing the music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becca View Post
    What are the thoughts about the upcoming Turandot?
    Apparently she did well...

    https://seenandheard-international.c...ot/#more-92957
    Last edited by Bonetan; Feb-05-2020 at 06:14.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    Whatever the state of her voice, I have to say that that is the most rhythmically flabby, self-indulgent performance I've ever heard. Even worse than late Caballe. Does she think that's expressive? It isn't the voice it once was, but I could deal with that if she'd really sing the music.
    Caballe is an interesting comparison actually. For me, they're roughly equivalent--lovely voices, not the most interesting or musical singers but not terribly boring like a Ricciarelli. When I see their names on a CD or DVD sleeve, I'm neither excited nor repelled.

    Which is why I'm always surprised both by the Caballe love around here and the Netrebko hate--neither seem very justified to me, and I don't understand those who love the one and detest the other.
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    LIke you, I neither love Caballe nor loathe Netrebko. In both I enjoy their early work the most, and I'd put Caballe a notch above Netrebko, finding her more convincing in a broad repertoire. She became self-indulgent as her voice lost its bloom, overusing her pianissimi and milking phrases. I've never been interested enough in Netrebko to seek out her work, and the only recording I've ever owned is a very nice Russian recital, made back when her voice was fresh. I imagine she's an asset to recordings of Russian opera made back then.

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    I have to wonder if much of the opinion about Netrebko has as much to do with her uber-diva personality as it does with her vocal abilities.

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    Caballe is a much greater singer than Netrebko. Caballe has a properly developed chest register that she uses frequently, and a beautiful middle. Her upper register is more complicated, her forte notes sometimes being a little screechy but her pianissimo being justly famous. She never had anything approaching the vibrato problems Netrebko has, or the extreme constriction/collapsed top. Netrebko has a lot of natural talent, but she can not use it well because of the current pedagogical insanity. Even young Netrebko, who was much, much, much better than current Netrebko, did not reach this level:


    The chest in the first phrase here, In mia man alfin tu sei, is more dramatic than any sound I've ever heard Netrebko make.


    Even in her later career, she was capable of some very fine singing, though it was admittedly less common than in her young days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivalagentenuova View Post
    Caballe is a much greater singer than Netrebko. Caballe has a properly developed chest register that she uses frequently, and a beautiful middle. Her upper register is more complicated, her forte notes sometimes being a little screechy but her pianissimo being justly famous. She never had anything approaching the vibrato problems Netrebko has, or the extreme constriction/collapsed top. Netrebko has a lot of natural talent, but she can not use it well because of the current pedagogical insanity. Even young Netrebko, who was much, much, much better than current Netrebko, did not reach this level:


    The chest in the first phrase here, In mia man alfin tu sei, is more dramatic than any sound I've ever heard Netrebko make.


    Even in her later career, she was capable of some very fine singing, though it was admittedly less common than in her young days.
    Perhaps I dislike Caballe more than I thought, if these are the best examples you can find of Caballe's art. The first is pretty but boring, the second seems like Caballe is trying very hard to be dramatic which is only fitfully successful and sounds forced--intonation problems, register breaks, lots of hard unpleasant sounds. I don't find Caballe's attempts at Norma at all to my liking, either the studio recording or this Orange performance.
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    I'm not really a fan of 19th century opera, except Wagner. But I've never understood the fascination with Anna Netrebko, try as I might. She appeared at the Vienna State Opera Ball in 2019 dressed up like a trussed turkey and standing beside a husband who looked like a waxwork of an opera singer. I had to laugh because when she was interviewed about "the stress" of singing at the Opera Ball she said when she came to "be-form" at this venue it put her under additional pressure. "Be-form"!!

    Here she is with uber-beautiful Dmitri (taken from us much too early) singing in Moscow; this is one I can enjoy - but Anna's voice is weak here. Dmitri had such a wonderful, wide smile and happy nature that it's no wonder everybody loved him:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5SlUmCdXf0
    Last edited by Christabel; Feb-06-2020 at 06:58. Reason: Moscow Nights

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christabel View Post
    I'm not really a fan of 19th century opera, except Wagner. But I've never understood the fascination with Anna Netrebko, try as I might. She appeared at the Vienna State Opera Ball in 2019 dressed up like a trussed turkey and standing beside a husband who looked like a waxwork of an opera singer. I had to laugh because when she was interviewed about "the stress" of singing at the Opera Ball she said when she came to "be-form" at this venue it put her under additional pressure. "Be-form"!!

    Here she is with uber-beautiful Dmitri (taken from us much too early) singing in Moscow; this is one I can enjoy - but Anna's voice is weak here. Dmitri had such a wonderful, wide smile and happy nature that it's no wonder everybody loved him:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5SlUmCdXf0
    "She appeared at the Vienna State Opera Ball in 2019 dressed up like a trussed turkey..."


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    See for yourself from 10 minutes here. "Be-form"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w7exb0BGUo

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    I’m always amused by these negative comments about current singers like Netrebko as it takes me back about 55 years or more to when I was a lad and started reading the Gramophone. Hey presto, the same sort of negative comments made about singers then, only they were called Sutherland, callas et al. Of course now they are out the way they are elevated to god-like status! It seems to be sport, however, among some, to pick them apart while they are alive. I have even seen Anna blasted for wearing darkish makeup to sing Aida. What is she supposed to wear? It’s usually done by people with no talent themselves who want to set themselves up as some sort of experts. For me, I have enjoyed Anna’s performances in spite of (or even because of) the constant negative sniping by the no-talent brigade. Just like I enjoyed Caballe, Sutherland eat al, and all the wonderful singers including Anna who I have had the privilege of listening to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christabel View Post
    See for yourself from 10 minutes here. "Be-form"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w7exb0BGUo
    I must say that the dress isn't at all flattering. It really does make her look like this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Terror View Post
    I must say that the dress isn't at all flattering. It really does make her look like this...

    Oh the dress now! Thought she was a singer!
    Last edited by DavidA; Feb-06-2020 at 07:45.

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