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    Quote Originally Posted by Dster View Post
    Are we confusing hype for ability?
    Well, in the cynical world that we live in today you're always bound to get the argument that someone's popularity is the result of hype. It's the chicken or the egg story, ain't it? Is someone popular because of the publicity or is the publicity the result of her being popular. I think that if people would tend to go home disappointed after a Netrebko performance that the hype would have ended a long, long time ago - or never even have started to begin with.

    I must say that I consider her to be an artist with a lot of integrity. Some opera 'purists' (not necessarily you I must add) talk about her as though she's a sell-out - no doubt because she's so popular and is a beautiful woman who doesn't try to hide that fact. But they should also keep in mind that almost any other operatic singer who's reached her level of popularity these days would be trying to 'broaden her appeal' and record songbook albums with Irving Berlin and Cole Porter tunes. She'd perhaps be singing duets with pop singers or sing other crossover material. Not that I personally have a problem with classical singers doing some of that, but just for the record - Anna Netrebko has never done that and has always been strictly classical.
    Martha doesn't signal when the orchestra comes in, she's just pursing her lips..

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    Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against the good lady. I just do not find her singing satisfying, which to me is the most important element in opera. About thin ladies singing Wagner, I hope I would not be around when it happens . Can a 1.6m (5'6") man play in NBA with success?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dster View Post
    Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against the good lady. I just do not find her singing satisfying, which to me is the most important element in opera. About thin ladies singing Wagner, I hope I would not be around when it happens .Can a 1.6m (5'6") man play in NBA with success?
    No, but a woman who doesn't look like a sumo wrestler can sing with success at the Met.
    Martha doesn't signal when the orchestra comes in, she's just pursing her lips..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dster View Post
    Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against the good lady. I just do not find her singing satisfying, which to me is the most important element in opera. About thin ladies singing Wagner, I hope I would not be around when it happens . Can a 1.6m (5'6") man play in NBA with success?
    And I am completely in the same camp. In the Manon when she went into St. Sulpice in that skimpy, totally inappropriate white dress to seduce Des Grieux into coming back to her, she had two weapons on display that many a fat -- or skinny -- soprano would envy. The woman is hot, and a good actress to boot. I certainly appreciate her appeal. But I want to listen as well as look. She hits a lot of notes, but she misses too many for my taste. I am always on the edge of my seat when she sings. I want to her to succeed as well as a singer as she does as an actress. Unfortunately, far too often, that is not the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dster View Post
    About thin ladies singing Wagner, I hope I would not be around when it happens . Can a 1.6m (5'6") man play in NBA with success?
    Ummm -- it already has happened. Karita Mattila, Anja Kampe, Camilla Nylund, Angela Denoke, Eva Maria Westbroek, and Nina Stemme are all slim and trim, and all sing Wagner regularly. Anne Evans and Hildegard Behrens back in the '90s weren't tubs, either.

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    To sum up what was discussed, it is generally agreed that she has good look and good acting ability. To some she is not an outstanding singer, but her fans will disagree on this point. May be that is why she concentrates mostly on visual media because that is her strong point. I do not think we will ever see her as Lady Macbeth. Not only because she has the wrong voice type, but it is bad for her image to appear as an evil woman.

    I watched Aida with Violeta Urmana & Dolores Zajick the other day. It was a most satisfying experience. Zajick gave a performance worthy of her frame, dispite her age and look. The audience responded to her emphatically. A good artist can transcend above outward appearance because of the beauty of human voice. That is the magic of opera. Urmana not only sings well, she looks good as well because the director left her in her natural colour rather than dyed brown as in the La Scala production. And she is huge, almost twice the size of Netrebko.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhar26 View Post
    No, but a woman who doesn't look like a sumo wrestler can sing with success at the Met.
    Not if she is singing Lucia when she is not a good coloratura

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dster View Post
    Not if she is singing Lucia when she is not a good coloratura
    Well, if one has to be a Maria Callas or Joan Sutherland to sing Donizetti or Bellini the works of those composers are as good as buried for good because there are only a few coloratura singers of that quality around at any one time.
    Martha doesn't signal when the orchestra comes in, she's just pursing her lips..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dster View Post
    Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against the good lady. I just do not find her singing satisfying, which to me is the most important element in opera. About thin ladies singing Wagner, I hope I would not be around when it happens . Can a 1.6m (5'6") man play in NBA with success?
    Where did this "myth" of fat ladies sing better come from........you look at the top Wagner sopranos of the golden age many were normal build (astrid varnay, Flagstadt, Lotte Lehmann etc) during thier prime singing years ages 30-40. Some did add weight as they got older near end of thier career but thier best recording were made at normal weight





    Outside of Wagner the great sopranos of the 1950-1960s era were mostly normal weight:
    Callas
    Sutherland
    Moffo
    Tebaldi
    Price
    Freni
    Schwarzkopff
    etc
    Last edited by DarkAngel; Apr-16-2012 at 03:15.

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    I think the top Wagner ladies (Flagstad, Nilsson, Varnay) are mesomorphs. Not fat, but built like men.

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    Anna knows she's sexy and uses that.

    And I LOVE it...................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    Anna knows she's sexy and uses that.
    Yes, that's the only thing she got.



    If we were in 50s or 60s, then Netrebko had no place in the operatic world.
    In a world which is ruled by gangsters and maniacs, art means nothing but just a junk food and there's no hope for human's salvation throughout... (Shāmlou)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Il_Penseroso View Post
    Yes, that's the only thing she got.



    If we were in 50s or 60s, then Netrebko had no place in the operatic world.
    Man oh Man

    Go Anna!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    Where did this "myth" of fat ladies sing better come from........you look at the top Wagner sopranos of the golden age many were normal build (astrid varnay, Flagstadt, Lotte Lehmann etc) during thier prime singing years ages 30-40. Some did add weight as they got older near end of thier career but thier best recording were made at normal weight
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    They may not be 'fat' as projected by popular mirth, but they were big sized, certainly not thin as in the present corps. One needs the muscle and the lung power to belt out the notes day in day out especially for the drammatic roles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badinerie View Post
    Yes there is a big industry round Anna Netrebko...the Music Industry, worth Billions every year.
    So is the anti-Christ Andrea Bocelli who has under his belt complete recordings of Boheme, Tosca, Il Travatore ....

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