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    God Bless Andrea. he hasa beautiful voice. and those recordings are great for his fans. is he an opera singer? no

    but he loves it and wants to sing it so good for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Il_Penseroso View Post
    If we were in 50s or 60s, then Netrebko had no place in the operatic world.
    Well, it's not the 50's or the 60's. Being the right man or woman at the right time is always an essential part of being a success. Some of the golden voiced sumo wrestlers of the past who moved around the stage as though they had blocks of concrete on their feet would have no place in opera today either.
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    Martha doesn't signal when the orchestra comes in, she's just pursing her lips..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    God Bless Andrea. he hasa beautiful voice. and those recordings are great for his fans. is he an opera singer? no

    but he loves it and wants to sing it so good for him.
    And I bet his recordings are the hottest property around, out selling with ease anything from Villizon or Florez by a wide margin.

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    Well a good cross over artist like Andrea can bring punters over to the real opera world, and when they get here the last thing they'll want is a Queen of the Night who would crush a tank like a Coke can!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dster View Post
    I watched Aida with Violeta Urmana & Dolores Zajick the other day. It was a most satisfying experience. Zajick gave a performance worthy of her frame, dispite her age and look. The audience responded to her emphatically. A good artist can transcend above outward appearance because of the beauty of human voice. That is the magic of opera. Urmana not only sings well, she looks good as well because the director left her in her natural colour rather than dyed brown as in the La Scala production. And she is huge, almost twice the size of Netrebko.
    Well there you are, it's all a question of taste. I personally found Zajick the worst Amneris I have ever seen, I thought she was bored silly and just going through the motions - she nearly singlehandedly put my kids off opera when we went to the HD broadcast of this. (Although Urmana WAS good).
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhar26 View Post
    Being the right man or woman at the right time is always an essential part of being a success.
    Of course! If everyone thought like a bigot, then there was no change not only in art, but anything humanly in the history; but there's a certain difference between being creative and trying to catch people by fascinate them for 'being a right person'. If you mean to be adapted with everything modish and popular by 'being a right man or woman at the right time is always an essential part of being a success' then I would definitely say NO! because many modern opera staging and many opera singers, which I've seen, are categorized with no doubt in the latter!

    Well, it's not the 50's or the 60's.

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    Some of the golden voiced sumo wrestlers of the past who moved around the stage as though they had blocks of concrete on their feet would have no place in opera today either.
    Well I think the past generation of opera lovers - and singers - understood it more deeply, they were more scientific and had so far high standards. When I go to an opera house or watch an opera on VHS or DVD, I expect pure music and acting, not a fashion show; though a large number of people all around the world are Netrebko's fans (which I have no problem with!) but to me she looks more like a fashion model rather than an opera singer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Il_Penseroso View Post
    Of course! If everyone thought like a bigot, then there was no change not only in art, but anything humanly in the history; but there's a certain difference between being creative and trying to catch people by fascinate them for 'being a right person'. If you mean to be adapted with everything modish and popular by 'being a right man or woman at the right time is always an essential part of being a success' then I would definitely say NO! because many modern opera staging and many opera singers, which I've seen, are categorized with no doubt in the latter!

    Well I think the past generation of opera lovers understood it more deeply, they were more scientific and they had so far high standards. When I go to an opera house or watch an opera on VHS or DVD, I expect pure music and acting, not a fashion show; though a large number of people all around the world are Netrebko's fans (which I have no problem with!) but to me she looks more like a fashion model rather than an opera singer!
    Well, since the characters she often portrays on the stage - attractive women, royalty, etc are supposed to look more like a fashion model than the conventional idea of an opera singer anyway, so it's probably appropriate. I mean, my idea of an elegant countess or a courtesan looks a lot more like Anna Netrebko than, say, Montserrat Caballe.

    Look - I have nothing but the highest regard for those singers from the past. They were fab. But their greatness is often used as an argument against the singers of today, which I personally find kind of annoying. Is Netrebko as great a singer as a Ponselle, Callas or Tebaldi? No, probably not. But circumstances have changed somewhat. Orchestras play at a higher pitch, theatres are bigger, singers travel more which is more exausting, etc. And although those oldies were great, they weren't perfect either. There's Callas' wobble and her often metallic sound which I don't find very attractive, Joan Sutherland often only seems to sing vowels, the otherwise extremely attractive Tebaldi was quite wooden onstage, and so on. At the end of the day all that doesn't really matter though because whatever their weaknesses may have been was richly compensated for by the strenghts of their artistry. Same goes as far as I'm concerned for todays singers, including Netrebko. Have we lost something over the past thirty or forty years? No doubt about it. But we have also gained something that we probably didn't have in the past and charismatic performers like Netrebko, Fleming, Gheorghiu and the other 'big guns' of today provide us with operatic experiences that may be different from those we've had in the past, but are (at least to me) extremely satisfying.
    Martha doesn't signal when the orchestra comes in, she's just pursing her lips..

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    I think you've really hit the nail on the head, Gaston. Well said!
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    Indeed... and having read quite a bit upon the history of opera... I had to laugh at the notion that the past generations understood the art form better or in a more scientific manner with higher standards. One might almost laugh at how poorly the past generation or two "understood" the operas of Handel, Vivaldi, Alessandro Scarlatti, Monteverdi, Gluck... or in some ways, even Mozart. Does Klemperer's or Bohm's Mozart really exhibit a greater understanding of Mozart's operas than Rene Jacobs or William Christies?

    my idea of an elegant countess or a courtesan looks a lot more like Anna Netrebko than, say, Montserrat Caballe.

    And certainly if I envision a sexy Manon lolling in bed with Des Grieux its not Sutherland and Pavarotti that come to mind... although they might be ideal for a comic Eurotrash production.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamascarlatti View Post
    Well there you are, it's all a question of taste.
    Yes, absolutely. Its personal. For some time I harboured some thoughts about the the way operas are staged and the singing standard. The points brought out in this discussion showed that my feeling is spot on. Acting is a more important asset to a modern opera star than the ability to sing well. Ever wonder why the modern corps of sopranos has no good chest voice?

    Why bother to pay for an expansive ticket to the opera? Better acting, story lines and entertainment awaits in a musical.

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    yes, you're all correct.

    more pictures!!!

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    I would like to see her sing Salome. I bet she could not sing Salome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchie View Post
    I would like to see her sing Salome. I bet she could not sing Salome.
    Her "dance of the seven veils" would be the best ever though.
    Martha doesn't signal when the orchestra comes in, she's just pursing her lips..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhar26 View Post
    Her "dance of the seven veils" would be the best ever though.
    YES SIR

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    i agree mostly with your answer to oester above.... anna netrebko has that "IT" that something special that enhances her operatic work. like callas she has great acting ability that helps her singing ability... plus, she is still growing and maturing.... only your comment about there possible being better opera composers than verdi and puccini is just not true... there are, in my humble opinion, no greater operatic composers than those two, precisely for the very essence of opera as a theatrical experience than verdi (and, to a lesser degree, puccini).... no other opera composers understood the theatrical essence of opera better.... in time netrebko will and should tackle verdi and puccini roles that compliment her voice and style... we all would benefit

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