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    Quote Originally Posted by Jobis View Post
    You ought to know that someone might have a good reason for not liking her
    I AGREE like when she didn't support gay rights when expected to DAMN THIS HATEFUL WENCH!!!!! She should be BANNED FROM SINGING because she DESTROYS FREEDOM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramis View Post
    I AGREE like when she didn't support gay rights when expected to DAMN THIS HATEFUL WENCH!!!!! She should be BANNED FROM SINGING because she DESTROYS FREEDOM
    When I talk of disliking her I of course mean her as an opera singer. Just in case that wasn't clear. Though now you mention it she doesn't seem like the nicest of people, but thats irrelevant to the discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamascarlatti
    And you don't get real singers - as opposed to armchair critics - dissing each other in the the same way; I suppose because they realise the work and courage required to get up there and perform
    it could be that; it could also be they know it's unprofessional to diss your colleagues no matter what you might be thinking about them.

    listeners' (armchair critics') raison d'etre in regards to music is to be entertained. I agree it's a very exposed job getting up on stage in front of thousands of people, but an opera singer must know what they signed up for, just as all entertainers do. You get amazing praise and support, the kind that people with regular jobs can't even begin to imagine, and you get a lot of more or less warranted criticism. If you aim to work with people's emotions you end up arousing some powerful negative ones in some of them.

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    I don't think StukesguildOhio is interested in silencing anyone's opinion. I think she might just be getting tired of the kinds of responses that are, in the words of a local radio host, the rhetorical equivalent of throwing a rock at a window and running away. In other words, in real criticism one-line insults are not enough; you have to explain exactly what you mean and why your opinion has validity.

    I should say what I think of Anna Netrebko. I love the sound of her voice, particularly in the middle register. Her vocal timbre often reminds me of flame, and I find that this brings an unexpected and welcome "fire" to characters normally considered rather demure -- e.g. Antionia in HOFFMANN and Lucia di Lammermoor. I don't think she's the ideal coloratura soprano; I can hear how the runs, etc. are sometimes smudgey, though I question the frequent claim that she has no trill. Just now I listened to "Ah, non credea mirarti" from her 2002 aria recital, and the trill is there. I replayed the part several times to make sure it really was a trill -- i.e. a rapid fluctuation between two notes -- and it's definitely that. By comparison, Renee Fleming's trill is a sort of stutter on one note, and as far as I know Montserrat Caballe didn't have a trill (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) -- and yet she's a bel canto legend. So, while acknowledging that Anna is not the bel canto technician Joan Sutherland was, I enjoy her Lucia very much because I like the sound of her voice in it. For example, her smokey middle register fits the morbid aspect of Lucia's personality perfectly.

    So I'd explain Anna's appeal to me as mainly a matter of vocal timbre/color and acting ability. I don't find her stage presence very warm -- her recent Met Tatiana was extremely well acted but not as "personable" as Renee Fleming's, and I thought her Adina a little aloof as well -- but I think she's an exceptional actress who can really convey her characters' emotions with her face and body. And I really appreciate her willingness to make eye contact with the other singers onstage. Mamascarlatti pointed this out in another thread with regard to her Elvira in I PURITANI on DVD, and I completely agree. It makes her acting so much more believable.

    If anything about Anna's singing sets me on edge, it's that she can sometimes sound as though she's singing sharp. (I have a similar reaction at times to Angela Gheorghiu.) But I don't know if she's actually sharp or if the very bright, almost "hard" timbre of her voice (and I don't mean "hard" in a bad way -- I mean it in the sense of "very bright and clear") just makes her sound sharp. I've noticed that other Slavic singers have a certain lack of softness to their timbres, too, so maybe it's a sort of national characteristic that my ear is not used to.

    Anyway, those are my thoughts on Anna. It will be interesting to see how she's viewed, say, thirty years from now. It's my very strong feeling that, if Youtube is still around then, there will be comments on the videos of all the new sopranos, saying things like, "Go and listen to Anna Netrebko if you want to hear how that aria is supposed to be sung..."
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    Personally, I'm not interested in silencing anyone's opinion concerning Anna Netrebko or any other singer/performer... although I do question blanket statements. Is Anna the greatest living soprano. Surely not. I do think, however, that her voice has a richness and warmth that I quite enjoy. A good many of my favorite singers have been mezzos (Christa Ludwig, Waltraud Meier, Teresa Berganza, Joyce DiDonato, Cecilia Bartoli, Magdalena Kožená, Anne Sofie von Otter, Lorraine Hunt Lieberson, Kathleen Ferrier) and so I appreciate this creamy warmth and sensuality over pyrotechnical display. For example, I blasphemously prefer Bartoli's La Sonambula... sung as a mezzo... even to Sutherland's. Not only have I never warmed to Sutherland's voice or her miserable diction... but I simply like Bartoli's voice.

    Honestly, there are sopranos that I have far more recordings of than I do of Netrebko. Lucia Popp, Dawn Upshaw, Lisa della Casa, Renée Fleming, Gundula Janowitz, Teresa Stratas, Elisabeth Schwarzkopf are but a few names who come to mind. I suspect Netrebko, however, will be remembered as one of the first great operatic performers of the age of video. Opera is not merely a musical art form but also a visual... or rather theatrical art form, and Netrebko IMO brings something special to her roles in terms of acting and personality. Stratas had a similar ability. While she might not have been able to match Birgit Nilsson, for example, purely based upon her voice... Nilsson comes off ridiculous as Salome...



    ... in comparison to Stratas... who absolutely owns the role:



    It is not merely that Nilsson simply doesn't look like the woman who could lead men to their own destruction... she doesn't even begin to convince me as an actress in the manner in which Stratas convinces me that she truly is a woman crossing over the edge of sanity.

    Anna Netrebko has impressed me repeatedly as a singer/actress/personality that I enjoy watching. Patricia Pettibon and Danielle de Niese both strike me in a similar manner... greater seen in performance than simply as singers.
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    All singers, no exception, have stronger and weaker points. For instance, it has been mentioned that a legend like Montserrat Caballé couldn't trill. Well, as a matter of fact, her agilities were not technically speaking the best ones, and especially her trills were sometimes just not there, or replaced by a kind of tremolo. However, she had an amazing degree of control over her voice, and was able to produce some incredible pianissimi, her fiato was legendary, the way she was able to sing legato a marvel,... and, more importantly, she was producing wonderful performances of some Bel Canto operas: Lucrezia Borgia, Maria Stuarda, Elisabetta, Gemma de Vergy, Parisina d’Este, Alaide, Imogene, Norma,... up to the mid/late 1970s especially. She was able to reach Rossini's goal of "unveiling the drama hidden in the fioriture".

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    This thread should be Headed : Critics Corner or The Opera Snobs Thread? What has age got to do with the likes and dislikes of the Soprano Voice? People who love classical music; and Opera Performances in particular, should have their "Glass Half Full" at all times! I go to performances with excitement; and always enjoy the singing; and appreciate the efforts of the performing artists. BTW I'm 65, years young.

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    Hey guys what's going on in this thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhar26 View Post
    Unfortunately there's some truth in that. Here people keep things relatively peaceful, but a long time ago I was a member of a yahoo-opera group and talk there was often as vile as on many a sports or political forum.
    Many posts and ''conclusions'' are nasty and some possibly entangled with jelousy of certain members on her physical appearance.
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    If I were to see a Met HD Broadcast of Lucia, Netrebko or Dessay would be heavenly. Live with a time machine or on CD, in order of preference, Joan, Maria and Moffo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramis View Post
    I AGREE like when she didn't support gay rights when expected to DAMN THIS HATEFUL WENCH!!!!! She should be BANNED FROM SINGING because she DESTROYS FREEDOM
    LOL this post made my day!
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    Who cares? A little Auto-tune and Catweezle will be singing like Caruso.

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    I really wonder why those who critique Anna's singing ability are called opera snobs…Should I try to find a crown?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabrina View Post
    I really wonder why those who critique Anna's singing ability are called opera snobs…Should I try to find a crown?
    I must be too "thick," as the British say, to understand the meaning of your second question.

    It's not snobby to critique someone's singing, and I can't see that anyone here is saying it is. It is snobby to present your opinions as though they are indisputable facts and to put someone down for his/her enjoyment of a particular artist/composer/piece of music -- to suggest that the person is "not musical," "has no taste," etc. I have never in my opera-going life belittled someone for liking a singer -- even a singer I don't care for myself.

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    I like Anna's middle range, but that's all. It happens I have, Traviata, Don Pasquale, I Puritani DVDs, all ruined by Anna's singing, lacking the proper technique for singing those roles.
    I tend to prefer her in concerts. I consider she is a star in the same way Justin Bieber is a star in his pop business.
    Both question and explanation for my thick remark: do I qualify to be crowned a snob?

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