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    i recently purchased wagner's ring cycle w/janowski/dresden. it's a little lighter than what i'm used to. i like it quite a bit. anyone else have experience with this recording?

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    Hi again, DJ (and everybody): I first became familiar with Janowski's interpretations via the Tannhauser music in the sound-track to the film Meeting Venus. I came away with a favorable impression.
    Subsequently, I've listened to excerpts from the Janowski Ring included as a part of Thomas May's book Decoding Wagner. I found that the quality of the recording was less variable than the quality of the book. Janowski's interpretation might be a revelation to those who (mistakenly) view Wagner as a mass of blare and bombast. However (I hasten to add), if you care about Wagner enough to purchase The Ring complete, you're probably already aware of Wagner's capacities for subtlety. For my part, I feel like Marek dials it back a little too far.

    I hope that my words won't dissuade anyone predisposed to making the Janowski purchase from doing so. Not many would say that it's the best Ring on the market, but one could make a strong case that it's unbeatable on a dollar-for-dollar basis. Glad you're liking the work, DJ!
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    solti/vpo makes the entrance into valhalla a bit more to my bombastic taste! but overall, i still like janowski.

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    That's it? Has no one else at TC experienced the Janowski Ring? Or did this thread just slip through the cracks.

    I have seen some good reviews online. Going to give it a try. Already have it in a Wagner box set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SixFootScowl View Post
    That's it? Has no one else at TC experienced the Janowski Ring? Or did this thread just slip through the cracks.

    I have seen some good reviews online. Going to give it a try. Already have it in a Wagner box set.
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    Aren’t there two recordings of Wagner’s Der Ring des Nibelungen conducted by Janiwski? I once had the one with the Stastskapelle Dresden with a lot of young singers (at the time) and found it plausible. I’m still loyal to the pioneering Solti with its peerless cast, though I like individual singers on the other classic studio sets. Of the live sets, I’ll stick with the 1960s Bayreuth Böhm.

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    The second Janowski Ring is not great. Inferior singing and not a patch on his previous outing. I wonder why they bothered. It’s not like we haven’t got plenty of really good cycles to listen to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAS View Post
    Aren’t there two recordings of Wagner’s Der Ring des Nibelungen conducted by Janiwski? I once had the one with the Stastskapelle Dresden with a lot of young singers (at the time) and found it plausible. I’m still loyal to the pioneering Solti with its peerless cast, though I like individual singers on the other classic studio sets. Of the live sets, I’ll stick with the 1960s Bayreuth Böhm.
    I am talking about the 1983 recording.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    The second Janowski Ring is not great. Inferior singing and not a patch on his previous outing. I wonder why they bothered. It’s not like we haven’t got plenty of really good cycles to listen to.
    I agree. I think that the impetus for the second Janowski RING was sonic - the desire to have SACD recordings of all of the Wagner operas, with the best representatives of modern casting. Since these were live performance recordings, the expense involved was less than a true studio recording. Unfortunately, as Barbebleu points out, much of the singing really isn't very good (and that applies most to the RING operas, less to the others, I think), and some of it is downright dreadful.

    As for Janowski's first RING, it has a lot of excellent points - sensible tempi, transparent textures, great orchestra, and some mostly adequate singing, if hardly anyone rises to the level found on some of the more famous cycle. I think that of the four operas, Siegfried actually comes off best - this is probably Kollo's best recording, and the rest of the cast is solid.

    My biggest complaint about the first Janowski RING has nothing to do with the performance, but involves how poorly BMG has treated this cycle. Janowski's tempi are on the brisk side, which would actually allow this cycle to be issued in a way that preserves musical continuity - and yet every time they issue this cycle, every act of Siegfried and Gotterdammerung, and the last two acts of Walkure is broken up. That may not matter to those you who stream, but it's really aggravating for someone who, like me, prefers to play physical product through a decent audio system.

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    ^^^^^The same for the Sawallisch live EMI Ring.
    They could easily put complete acts on their own discs, but stupidly split them.
    I would have bought it if it was done with us listeners in mind.
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    Well, I gave the Janowski Ring a spin and then thought to give it a second go but quit halfway through Walkure and turned my attention to the Barenboim Ring. The Barenboim Ring seems much better, more alive.
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    ^^

    Even if I think the singing and playing in the Janowski Dresden Ring is much better (and the box is cheaper), your statement is the reason why I've never purchased it. Could it really be a keeper with such an uneven musicality?
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    I had no idea Janowski has two Ring cycles in the game! Is this true?

    Anyway, I have the 1980s Dresden and while I'm not familiar with it (always finding another Ring to listen to), what I've heard to date is most enjoyable. Very well recorded and I can't hear anything wrong with the singing, but I am no opera connoisseur.

    I like Janowski's tempos and find that when a degree of gradation is required, he obliges.

    Based on my, albeit not extensive, listens, I would strongly recommend it to anyone, especially a newbie.

    I picked up a pristine, but second hand copy for thirteen and a half quid, so perhaps I don't have to be so fussy in my appraisal.

    If anyone is still reading this post, Siegfried is the most compelling, so far ........



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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryPenfold View Post
    I had no idea Janowski has two Ring cycles in the game! Is this true?

    Anyway, I have the 1980s Dresden and while I'm not familiar with it (always finding another Ring to listen to), what I've heard to date is most enjoyable. Very well recorded and I can't hear anything wrong with the singing, but I am no opera connoisseur.

    I like Janowski's tempos and find that when a degree of gradation is required, he obliges.

    Based on my, albeit not extensive, listens, I would strongly recommend it to anyone, especially a newbie.

    I picked up a pristine, but second hand copy for thirteen and a half quid, so perhaps I don't have to be so fussy in my appraisal.

    If anyone is still reading this post, Siegfried is the most compelling, so far ........


    This is the good Janowski Ring. The second one is inadequate vocally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    This is the good Janowski Ring. The second one is inadequate vocally.
    I looked on Amazon etc for the other 'bad' Ring and couldn't find it - only curious, that's all .... Any details?

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