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    While looking through sheet music for the accompaniest class my 12 year old is going to enter next spring we came across a simple, pretty little work for oboe by Franck. I can already play it well on my violin...and my daughter is quite taken by it, although the piano portion will be a challenge for her...

    ...anyone else familiar with his works?

    BTW...is it okay for me to play an oboe solo on the violin in such a class???... :blink:
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    of course it is okay&#33; Don&#39;t worry, if i think of all that transcribtions and arrengements....

    I didn&#39;t listen to many works of Franck, some like his violin sonata or symphonie in d...well he isn&#39;t my favourite composer, but he is not bad :P

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    Thanks&#33; Good to know...I wasn&#39;t sure how sticky they would be about such things...

    ...and I&#39;ve never heard of Franck before...I should look up that violin sonata...
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    Originally posted by Nox@Aug 4 2004, 04:11 PM
    BTW...is it okay for me to play an oboe solo on the violin in such a class???... :blink:
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    Good thinking&#33;&#33; In my opnion, what&#39;s good for the oboe is usually good for the violin. I have heard Franck&#39;s organ works and his symphony in D minor. My opinion ins the same as Daniel&#39;s here--they&#39;re not my favorite but they&#39;re okay.

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    ...one very good thing about this forum is all the info. you pick up&#33; And useful opinions&#33; Merci&#33;
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    César Franck is one of my favourite composers.
    I have immense respect for his sheer quality and quirky melodies.

    Someone said he wrote one of each thing: symphony, violin sonata, string quartet.

    But he also wrote some mind-blowing organ music and some of the finest piano music between Beethoven and Fauré.

    Franck was also an incredibly influential teacher who influenced generations of Franco-Belgian artists.

    btw, Franck's marvellous Violin Sonata sounds wonderfully when realized with substitute flute.

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    He is one of my favorites too.

    A true giant of Romantic music. His music sounds very germanic to me which is odd considering he is though of as a pioneering french-school composer.

    One of his particularities that make him special to me is the frequency with which he modulates.

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    I've heard a bit of his music, but never really got into him. I know that he influenced late XIX/early XX century french organ composers like Vierne, but all I know is his chamber music: cello and violin sonatas. I still have to make up my mind about him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emiellucifuge View Post
    His music sounds very germanic to me. One of his particularities that make him special to me is the frequency with which he modulates.
    Indeed, Franck's chromatic harmonies are very pungent and innervating: just look at the Prélude, fugue et variation (there are versions for organ solo; piano solo; piano and harmonium duo): it has a very curious melody with incredibly original harmonies.
    http://www.amazon.com/Cesar-Franck-P...4389818&sr=1-1

    Ditto the adagios of the Piano Quintet and the Symphony.

    On the Germanic tip: Franck was Belgian, and there are centuries of cultural melding between the areas of Luxemberg, Belgium and the Rhineland.

    Too, Franck met Bruckner when the latter visited Paris to perform at the organ of La Notre Dame: apparently they hit it off quite well.

    Franck's oratorio Les Béatitudes is definitely worth getting to know.


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    Also, check the massive c#-minor Violin Sonata by Franck's last pupil, Pierre de Bréville.

    http://www.amazon.com/Joseph-Cantelo...4390007&sr=1-1
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    Psyché

    But be warned, most of the recordings that just say Psyché are only bits of the whole thing. I've only found two recordings online of the whole thing, the fairly easy to find Otaka on Chandos and the only through Arkiv EMI with Paul Strauss.

    I had the Strauss on LP back in the day, but I don't remember liking it as much as the one I had on Supraphon. Don't remember who was playing it, but it was really good. Otaka's a good runner-up.

    Redemption is also pretty good. If you like Psyché, odds are you'll like Redemption, too. Maybe.

    And the Symphonic Variations is pretty cool, too. As are Les Djinns and Le chausseur maudit and Les eolides. These last three out Liszt Liszt in the tone poem department.

    That's in addition to the things already mentioned. The problem with the Symphony is simply that it doesn't get performed very well. I don't have any recommendations. Even the one I have that I like isn't all that good. And the one I had long ago which is no longer available wasn't very good.

    Sebastien? Any recommendations?

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    I really like his symphony.
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    There does exist one superb rendition of the symphony - Pierre Monteux.

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    A collection. LPs have been mostly very cheap to obtain. Preferred listening:

    Paray/Symphony; Johannesen+Demus/Prelude Choral & Fugue; Bernathova+Richter/Piano Quintet;
    Kondrashin-Richter/Les Djinns. Many works not known in detail, though.

    The Danish late-romantic composer Louis Glass has some Franckesque inspiration in his chamber- and piano works, issued on CD by Dacapo. There are fine moments, but the music is often a bit too long-drawn with less going on. He also studied Wagner and Bruckner.

    LP "Redemption":"Intermezzo" fra Oratoriet (1871)/Fournet,CzPO/sup 50800
    LP "Les Beatitudes", Oratorium (1879)/Jordan,soli,NouvPO/erato 87 num 75275

    LP "Variations Brilliantes" f.Klav.& Ork. op.8 (1834)Eynden,Doneux,BelgRSO/mus wall 84 mw80047
    LP "Klaverkoncert" op.11 (1835)Eynden,Doneux,BelgRSO/mus wall 84 mw80047
    CD "Symfoni" d-mol (1888)/Mengelberg,CtGeb/grammofono 40-98 ab76866
    CD "Symfoni" d-mol (1888)/Mitropoulos,MinneaSO/tim 10cd 40-03 220833 303
    CD "Symfoni" d-mol (1888)/Martinon,ORTFSO/era 88 3984-24234-2
    LP "Symfoni" d-mol (1888)/Danon,CzPO/sup 78 410 2420
    LP "Symfoni" d-mol (1888)/Paray,DetroitSO/mercury ”st” srw 18002
    LP "Symfoni" d-mol (1888)/Muti,Philad/emi 83 asd 4175
    LP "Symfoni" d-mol (1888)/Rodzinski,WienerStOpO7westm mono wl 5311
    LP "Symfoni" d-mol (1888)/Beecham,OrchNatRadF/capitol mono g7157
    LP "Les Eolides", Symf.Digt (1876)/Fournet,CzPO/sup 50800
    CD "Le Chausseur Maudit", Symf.Digt (1882)/Cluytens,BelgPO/royal 62-95 701202
    CD "Le Chausseur Maudit", Symf.Digt (1882)/Plasson,CapTouO/emi 96 7243 55585-2
    LP "Le Chausseur Maudit", Symf.Digt (1882)/Fournet,CzPO/sup 50800
    LP "Le Chausseur Maudit", Symf.Digt (1882)/Rodzinski,WienerStOpO7westm mono wl 5311
    LP "Le Chausseur Maudit", Symf.Digt (1882)/Muti,Philad/emi 83 asd 4175
    CD "Les Djinns", Symf. Digt f.Klav. & Ork. (1884)/Richter,Kondrashin,MosO/russ rev 52-96 rv 10048
    lp "Les Djinns", Symf. Digt f.Klav. & Ork. (1884)/Richter,Kondrashin,MosO/mel 019039
    lp "Les Djinns", Symf. Digt f.Klav. & Ork. (1884)/Ciccolini,Strauss,LiegePO/angel s37247
    LP "Les Djinns", Symf.Digt f.Klav.& Ork. (1884)/Maxian,Fournet,CzPO/sup 50800
    LP "Psyche", Symf.Digt f.Kor & Ork. (1887-88)/Fournet,CzPO/sup 50674
    CD "Symfoniske Variationer" f.Klav.& Ork. (1886)/Entremont,Martinon,ORTFSO/era 88 3984-24234-2
    lp "Symfoniske Variationer" f.Klav.& Ork. (1886)/Smendzianka,Wislocki,WarPO/muza xl 0114
    lp "Symfoniske Variationer" f.Klav.& Ork. (1886)/Ciccolini,Strauss,LiegePO/angel s37247
    lp "Symfoniske Variationer" f.Klav.& Ork. (1886)/B-Skoda,Rodzinski,LPO/heliodor mono 480 009

    CX "1.Klavertrio" fis-mol op.1,1 (1841)/Novanta3/fra tudor cd
    CX "3.Klavertrio" h-mol op.1,3 (1841)/Novanta3/fra tudor cd
    CX "4.Klavertrio" h-mol op.2 (1842)/Novanta3/fra tudor cd
    CD "Klaverkvintet" f-mol (1878-79)/Hubeau,Viotti4/era 88 3984-24234-2
    LP "Klaverkvintet" f-mol (1878-79)/Bernathova,Janacek4/sup 62 10471
    LP "Klaverkvintet" f-mol (1878-79)/S.Richter,Bolshoi4/monitor mono mc 2036
    CD "Violinsonate" A-Dur (1886)/Hubeau,Charlier/era 88 3984-24234-2
    CD "Violinsonate" A-Dur (1886)/Oistrakh,Richter/russ rev 66-96 rv 10048
    cd "Violinsonate" A-Dur (1886)/F-Colombier,Langot/verany 96 pv 730068
    LP "Violinsonate" A-Dur (1886)/Yashvili,Skanavy/mel 85 c10 22549 007
    lp "Violinsonate" A-Dur (1886)/Heifetz,Smiths/cbs 84 mp 39550
    LP "Strygekvartet" D-Dur (1889)/Prag4/sup 81 1111 2979

    CD Franck/Bauer:"Prelude, Fugue & Variation" arr. f.Klav. op.18 (1862)/Crossley/sony 94 sk58914
    LP Franck/Bauer:"Prelude, Fugue et Variation" f.Klav. op.18 (1860-62)/Demus/mhs 1152
    LP Franck:"Les Plaintes d´une Poupee" f.Klav. (1865)/Demus/mhs 1152
    CD Franck:"Prelude, Choral & Fugue" f.Klav. (1884)/Crossley/sony 94 sk 58914
    CD Franck:"Prelude, Choral & Fugue" f.Klav. (1884)/Devoyon/era 88 3984-24234-2
    CD Franck:"Prelude, Choral & Fugue" f.Klav. (1884)/Richter/russ rev 55-96 rv 10048
    cd Franck:"Prelude, Choral & Fugue" f.Klav. (1884)/Richter/aura 94-98 aur 406-2
    LP Franck:"Prelude, Choral & Fugue" f.Klav. (1884)/Richter/mel 019039
    LP Franck:"Prelude, Choral & Fugue" f.Klav. (1884)/Demus/mhs 1152
    lp Franck:"Prelude, Choral & Fugue" f.Klav. (1884)/Johannesen/vox svbx 5483
    CD Franck:"Danse Lente" f.Klav. (1885)/Crossley/sony 94 sk58914
    LP Franck:"Danse Lente" f.Klav. (1885)/Demus/mhs 1152
    CD Franck:"Prelude, Aria & Finale" f.Klav. (1886-87)/Crossley/sony 94 sk 58914
    LP Franck:"Prelude, Aria & Finale" f.Klav. (1886-87)/Demus/mhs 1152

    LP Franck:"Fantasi" f.Orgel op.16 (1860-62)/Stewart/canz 81 3 lp 108-110
    LP Franck:"Grand Piece Symphonique" f.Orgel op.17 (1860-62)/Stewart/canz 81 3 lp 108-110
    LP Franck:"Prelude, Fuge & Variations" f.Orgel op.18 (1860-62)/Bonemann/sr lp 30-1
    LP Franck:"Prelude, Fuge & Variations" f.Orgel op.18 (1860-62)/Stewart/canz 81 3 lp 108-110
    LP Franck:"Pastorale" f.Orgel op.19 (1860-62)/Stewart/canz 81 3 lp 108-110
    LP Franck:"Priere" f.Orgel op.20 (1860-62)/Stewart/canz 81 3 lp 108-110
    LP Franck:"Final" f.Orgel op.21 (1860-62)/Stewart/canz 81 3 lp 108-110
    LP Franck:"Piece Heroique" f.Orgel (1878)/Stewart/canz 81 3 lp 108-110
    LP Franck:"Piece Heroique" f.Orgel (1878)/Dupre/mercury 58-xx ams 16030
    LP Franck:"Cantabile" f.Orgel (1878)/Stewart/canz 81 3 lp 108-110
    LP Franck:"Fantaisie" A-Dur f.Orgel (1878)/Stewart/canz 81 3 lp 108-110
    LP Franck:"3 Chorals" f.Orgel (E-Dur,h-mol,a-mol)(1890)/Stewart/canz 81 3 lp 108-110
    LP Franck:"3 Chorals" f.Orgel (E-Dur,h-mol,a-mol)(1890)/Dupre/mercury 58-xx ams 16030
    CD Franck/Crossley:"3 Chorals: Nr.3 a-mol" arr. f.Klav. (1890)/Crossley/sony 94 sk 58914
    Last edited by joen_cph; May-21-2010 at 08:38.

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    This EMI remastered 2-fer is quite satisfactory.

    http://www.amazon.com/Franck-Quintet...4443008&sr=1-1

    My favourite reading of Franck's Quartet is OOP by the old Prague ensemble:

    http://www.amazon.com/Cesar-Franck-S...4443182&sr=1-1

    An excellent new reading on Hyperion nicely pairs it with Fauré's superb Quartet:

    http://www.amazon.com/Fauré-Franck-Q...4443270&sr=1-1

    Another good option is on MD&G paired with Chausson's marvellous String Quartet:

    http://www.amazon.com/Franck-Chausso...4443337&sr=1-3

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    Quote Originally Posted by emiellucifuge View Post
    There does exist one superb rendition of the symphony - Pierre Monteux.
    That's the one I have!
    "Music is not philosophy." --Akira Ifukube

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