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Thread: Chamber Music: Haydn or Schubert

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    Lightbulb Chamber Music: Haydn or Schubert

    Poll: Who is your favorite chamber music composer between Haydn and Schubert..

    Joseph Haydn is generally credited with creating the modern form of chamber music as we know it.[12] In 83 string quartets, 45 piano trios, and numerous string trios, duos and wind ensembles, Haydn established the conversational style of composition and the overall form that was to dominate the world of chamber music for the next two centuries.

    As Beethoven, in his last quartets, went off in his own direction, Franz Schubert carried on and established the emerging romantic style. In his 31 years, Schubert devoted much of his life to chamber music, composing 15 string quartets, two piano trios, string trios, a piano quintet commonly known as the Trout Quintet, an octet for strings and winds, and his famous quintet for two violins, viola, and two cellos.


    Haydn

    Piano Trios

    (the cello part may be lacking, but they were delightful, nonetheless)

    Piano Trios # 1-15
    Piano Trios # 16-30
    Piano Trios # 31-45

    String Quartets

    String Quartets Opp. 1, 2, & 3
    String Quartets Opp. 9, 17, & 20
    String Quartets Opp. 64, 71, 74, & 76 (shows his mastery in the string quartet foem)
    String Quartets Opp. 77 & 103

    String Trios

    String Trios # 1-15
    String Trios # 16-30

    Schubert


    Piano Trios


    Piano Trio in Bb, D.898
    Piano Trio in Eb, D.929

    String Quartets


    String Quartet in c, D.703 "Quartettsatz"
    String Quartet in a, D.804 "Rosamunde"
    String Quartet in d, D.810 "Death and the Maiden" (one of the greatest quartets ever written)
    String Quartet in G, D.887

    Octet in F Minor

    Piano Quintets

    Piano Quintet in A, D.667 "Trout" (one of the most popular chamber works)

    String Quintets

    String Quintet in C, D.956 (the greatest chamber music ever written?)


    Haydn has the greatest number, but Schubert has the variety (and arguably the superior oeuvre).


    Who's works do you enjoy more?



    (
    Interestingly, DDD ranked Schubert second to Beethoven as the greatest chamber composer, but they replaced him with Mozart and he's now in the 3rd place and Haydn is in the 4th place. In 100 Greatest Chamber works, Schubert has three works in the top 10 (occupying the 2nd, 5th and 6th place), while Haydn's Emperor is on the 16th place.

    Haydn's appears 14 times on the list while Schubert has 9 items with all of his substantial works appearing on the top 100.)

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    I always like to put Schubert near Schumann, for their alphabetically similarity, and if this poll was between them I would vote Schumann certainly.

    But your question is a challenging one.

    I listened to two of Schubert Piano Trios, they're very long and well written ... Haydn's are very good as well. But Haydn's Trios have practical use for me plus their beauty! so I prefer them to Schubert's.
    Haydn's string quartet 1,2,3 are so great that sometimes I listen to them in the car!

    It was a hard one for me to choose, but I vote for Haydn because I've lived with them for 6 years, but I know Schubert just for a year.

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    The last three quartets of Schubert are at the highest level of the Quartet form, though there are some beautiful moments in the early works. On the other hand, from the Op 20 Haydn composed one outstanding work after another. I for one can`t pick one composer over another.

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    Death and the Maiden alone gets my vote. It is a "perfect" string quartet.

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    Now we have two polls to bash poor Haydn

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    Not bashing Haydn. I like Haydn. I just prefer Schubert's String Quartets.

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    I have never been able to properly digest Schubert but my mind clearly recognizes his depth and beauty; or at least that of his works. Now, Haydn is someone who I have always liked and now more than ever. Still, I think my answer to this question is: Schubert. Just because I don't love him and don't know him as well as I should (even though I am familiar with all those pieces you listed), I still can't place Haydn above his chamber works. Wow,...this is interesting because I would have a similar problem with the symphonies of these two great composers. Perhaps this is why I don't compare composers, only performers.

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    I just want to express my admiration to Schubert's Notturno for Piano trio. It is such a sublime masterpiece..

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    Quote Originally Posted by peeyaj View Post
    I just want to express my admiration to Schubert's Notturno for Piano trio. It is such a sublime masterpiece..
    It is divine.

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    I'll take Haydn since I prefer the Classical Era.

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    Schubert, especially for the wider variety and (later) emotional depth of his chamber output but I'm somewhat reluctant to pick between two masters from what were essentially two different eras. I'd have a similar dilemma if I had to choose between Bach/Haydn or Mozart/Beethoven.

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    I think Schubert.

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    I haven't really explored Schubert's chamber music to an adequate depth! So...It's back to listening for me. :P

    I'll return some months later to cast my opinion/vote!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheProudSquire View Post
    I haven't really explored Schubert's chamber music to an adequate depth! So...It's back to listening for me. :P

    I'll return some months later to cast my opinion/vote!
    You won't be disappointed. He composed some of the glorious chamber music ever written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheProudSquire View Post
    I haven't really explored Schubert's chamber music to an adequate depth! So...It's back to listening for me. :P

    I'll return some months later to cast my opinion/vote!

    For the Quintet alone he would top any poll and the late string Quartets elevate him to celestial rank.

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