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  • Meistersinger

    47 65.28%
  • Falstaff

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Thread: Meistersinger vs Falstaff

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    I feel this is a lot like deciding which of your children you like the best.

    In the end, I chose Falstaff.

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    New poll: Meistersinger vs. Falstaff vs. Aksel's slow death.

    For once I may vote for something besides Wagner.

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    They stack up nicely : Meistersinger above Falstaff, just like in the poll.
    Although, by a small margin. Love them both.

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    Meistersinger for sure! I am not into Falstaff at all. The synopsis did not appeal to me.
    "Life is too short to spend it wandering in the barren Sahara of musical trash."
    --Sergei Vasilyevich Rachmaninoff

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    I've gone for Falstaff. Meistersinger is one of my least favourite Wagner operas and I don't feel I ever need to see it again...

    N.

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    Falstaff by the length of a street. Has everything Mastersingers does not have including a brilliant libretto and lots of laughs - important for a comic opera. The score is utter brilliance, a culmination of Verdi's genius. In fact Falstaff imo is the greatest opera written after Mozart, a stupendous masterpiece and a celebration of life itself. If one is ever fed up a dose of Falstaff cheers the spirits - just like Sir John's wine.
    And it ends without any pomposity at all:
    'Everyone is born to laugh at everyone else
    But he who laughs last laughs longest.'
    Last edited by DavidA; Jun-19-2019 at 20:12.

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    To me the musical beauty of the Meistersinger wins over Falstaff, but I am not too much aware of the wit in Falstaff. I do agree however that more humour is always good!

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    Meister by light years
    I never listen to Falstaff.
    oh, the last 5 minutes are good.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    Between Meistersinger and Falstaff I will take ... Vaughan William's Sir John in Love

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    Quote Originally Posted by NLAdriaan View Post
    To me the musical beauty of the Meistersinger wins over Falstaff, but I am not too much aware of the wit in Falstaff. I do agree however that more humour is always good!
    You need to listen to it then! Women's lib Elizabethan style! Viva Verdi!
    Last edited by DavidA; Jun-19-2019 at 22:26.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    You need to listen to it then! Women's lib Elizabethan style! Viva Verdi!
    I even have Karajan's DG Falstaff on the shelve, time to give it a spin

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    As sublime as some of the music in Meistersinger is, it can be a slog and it's short of laughs.

    ...whereas Falstaff is easy to love after a few listens. The orchestration is as witty as the libretto. It seems that Verdi is rushing to throw every last tune he has into this. No time for leitmotivs here, it's all about fun and good spirits.

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    Falstaff is impeccable entertainment. The libretto is witty, the characters are charming or farcical (Falstaff himself is both), the pace is swift, and the score is mostly one of Verdi's best. I don't find much depth in it, there's little warmth or pathos, and there's no moral to the story except an admonition not to be a pompous fool and not to take life too seriously since we're all basically clowns enacting a farce. At least that's what I take from it. For me Falstaff is great fun in the theater but not quite as alluring purely as music for listening, except in places; its wealth of ideas whiz by and rarely allow much emotion to develop - but I suppose that would be beside the point.

    Die Meistersinger is far more complex. I'd call it a serio-comedy, incorporating elements of romance, farce, morality play, and even hints of tragedy. Hans Sachs, who is central to the story and progresses from observer to shaper of its events, is a melancholy philosopher-cobbler, a character of an intellectual and emotional subtlety the like of whom it's hard to find in opera of any sort, much less comedy. The libretto is filled with clever wit and word-play (even more apparent in German, I gather), and this is echoed in the diversity of musical techniques and the range of expression in the score, from light-hearted, satirical and festive to ardently romantic, poignant, and deeply solemn and serious.

    These are very different masterpieces, and for my taste the twin peaks of operatic comedy. Apologies to Mozarteans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sospiro View Post
    Falstaff!! Sir John Falstaff!!
    This.............................

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    Falstaff is a fun watch, but I never feel particularly inclined to listen to just the audio, whereas Meistersinger contains some of the most beautiful music Wagner ever composed. To me, the very best of Verdi has a strong claim against the weaker Wagner operas but I don't consider Falstaff anywhere close to the very best of Verdi.

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