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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    I was unaware that the Kubelik was even available on an old Myto release, good find......but you are right that amazon postings say it is inferior in sound to current one.....

    No I meant I can buy 2-3 different cast and conductor Bayreuth Meisters on Myto which maybe even better than Kubelik, just less well known to general public



    Itullian will have to admit there has never been a better Eva than Grummer........
    Definitely admit that DA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pimlicopiano View Post
    To cure oneself of the addiction once and for all, go and see it at Bayreuth. The house acoustics are notoriously ill-suited to the Meistersinger score. And its bloody hot, stuffy and uncomfortable inside for such a lengthy piece. I sat through the Ring there last year, so I know what a five hour opera feels like in there. Once you've got back home put on a recording of, say, Handel's Rodelinda or Mozart's Nozze di Figaro, and let your ears hear some divine music. That should sort you out.
    Very nice you took the time to go there.
    The way you describe it, it does sound awful and I'd much rather see it in a comfortable seat with AC.
    But I still do love the music.
    And I have seen horrible productions of Figaro as well that have ruined it for me, but I still love the music
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    I am really loving this Solti Meistersinger. I may have to get my DVD (Levine) out for a second watch. It certainly is exposing me to different kind of music than I get in the Rossini, Donizetti, and Bellini operas I so much love.
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
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    Hi Florestan

    To which Solti Meistersinger are you referring. The one with Bailey as Sachs or the later one with Van Dam?
    As you go along life's highway make this your only goal, keep your eye upon the donut and not upon the hole!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allanmcf View Post
    Hi Florestan

    To which Solti Meistersinger are you referring. The one with Bailey as Sachs or the later one with Van Dam?
    I have the one with Van Dam.
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    I have the one with Van Dam.
    That's definitely the better of the two. Solti seems more at one with the CSO and Heppner is a pretty good Walther although I still have a soft spot for Kollo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allanmcf View Post
    That's definitely the better of the two. Solti seems more at one with the CSO and Heppner is a pretty good Walther although I still have a soft spot for Kollo.
    Kollo is pretty good in the Bernstein Fidelio.

    Oddly the reviews on Amazon were making me think the other Solti was better. I think the bottom like is they are both good. Thanks.
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
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    I've got a lot of affection for the Meistersinger on DVD from Bayreuth with Weikl as Sachs conducted by Stein in a really pretty production from Wolfgang Wagner. I know Wolfgang productions get a lot of stick for being pretty and there's often a preference for Wieland's more stark stagings, but I like having something nice to look at and the final scene with the big tree makes me smile because it matches the pageant of the music so well. I just love that whole sequence from the guilds, to apprentices to Mastersingers and then Prize Song followed by Sachs and the cast praising German art. The final hand shake with Wolfgang also brings a big smile! Feels like a moment of Bayreuth history right there. Of the cast, Weikl and Jerusalem are easily my favourites, love seeing them inhabit their roles. I love Haggander as Eva too.

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    It is a fun concept too, having an opera about singing, just like you have the opera Tosca about an opera singer, but with meistersinger they are actually singing about singing.
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
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    The Eugen Jochum album (DG) is quite wonderful, very well recorded, and nicely casted (Domingo, Ludwig, Fischer-Dieskau, Catarina Ligendza). It appears to be underrated, perplexingly so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dholling View Post
    The Eugen Jochum album (DG) is quite wonderful, very well recorded, and nicely casted (Domingo, Ludwig, Fischer-Dieskau, Catarina Ligendza). It appears to be underrated, perplexingly so.
    -->http://www.amazon.com/Die-Meistersin...=wagner+jochum
    Fischer-D. is always controversial in the Wagner bass-baritone roles. His voice is a heady lyric baritone, not a rich bass-baritone, and this, along with his self-conscious, over-intellectual approach to words, leaves some of us unmoved. Ligendza is not the sweetest or most lyrical of Evas, and her leading of the quintet leaves a lot to be desired (compare Grummer on the fine old EMI recording under Kempe, or, to go back farther, Elisabeth Schumann). I like the Jochum otherwise, but these two singers just don't fit my idea of the work. For that, the old Friedrich Schorr excerpts still show how its done, by a singer with a magnificent voice, a superb technique, and the right blend of intellect and feeling. This quintet from 1931 (including Schorr, Schumann, and Melchior) is a lesson in Wagner sung bel canto:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJpqs4M3cvI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    It is a fun concept too, having an opera about singing, just like you have the opera Tosca about an opera singer, but with meistersinger they are actually singing about singing.
    It is certainly well made. The singing supposed to be songs are clearly distinguished from the singing supposed to be speak.

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    Well my current fav. For Meistersinger has to be the 1943 Bayreuth , with Herman abendroth, conducting with Hilde scheppan, Paul Schoffler, Eric Kunz, and Ludwig Suthaus. Wonderfully sung and great mono sound. And you won't believe the price at Amazon for the mp3s. Enjoy.

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    I have lived with LPs of the first Solti version for many, many years. Recently I decided to look into other versions and the easiest to get from our library was the newer Solti, so far I am rather underwhelmed by Van Dam's Sachs, maybe it's a case of familiarity with Bailey but he sounds so much more 'right' for the part. I will have to see what other versions I can find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becca View Post
    I have lived with LPs of the first Solti version for many, many years. Recently I decided to look into other versions and the easiest to get from our library was the newer Solti, so far I am rather underwhelmed by Van Dam's Sachs, maybe it's a case of familiarity with Bailey but he sounds so much more 'right' for the part. I will have to see what other versions I can find.
    The first Solti is still available on cd.
    The Sachs' on modern recordings aren't that great.
    Van Dam gets better after a few listens, but I think the recording works as a whole.
    And the recording is magnificent.
    Nothing like the old guys though.
    Maybe Stewart?
    Last edited by Itullian; May-08-2015 at 06:40.
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