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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    i've heard great and not so great performances by him.
    I'm just curious, what do you think are his worst performances?

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    Everything else aside, i think one aspect of his appeal is his "pedigree." He's German, was in Germany all during WWII and after, so he has an innate feeling about Beethoven.

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    Furtwangler's tempi (the r e a l l y s l o w o n e s) - the 7th Sym, 2nd Movement, Allegretto, for instance, were much about the Zeitgeist of the times in which he lived, I feel. Beethoven can withstand a great deal of personal interpretation and Furty and Toscanini are two excellent examples of conductors who found their separate and very personal paths to Ludwig's deepest thoughts. Just my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hammeredklavier View Post
    I'm just curious, what do you think are his worst performances?
    His Beethoven Pastorals are rather an acquired taste, I think. Very grim and spooky - one might easily characterise it as a terrible interpretation if they were out for something more... 'normal'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dionisio View Post
    Historically, i think Bernstein's upon the reunification of Germany is the most important. You can't get anything better than that. More than fusion of music and words, music and words were united with people. Perhaps this moment was Schiller's dream. And the replacement of the word "Freude" with "Freiheit" had also a significant contribution to it.
    One might disagree - the reunification may have been the fulfilment of Schiller's dream, but the 1942 performance represents what Schiller stood for. "oh friends, not these sounds" is the opening cry of the Choral, and much of the poem itself is about universal humanity. Fürtwangler, in his courage in remaining in Nazi Germany and continuing to perform this music, was standing up to the Nazi regime and decrying their horrific rule.

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    Wilhelm Furtwängler was born 135 years ago today.

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    Jeez, who dug this crusty old thread outta the TC vaults? For christsakes no-one tell BHS or it'll go on for another year

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    Quote Originally Posted by perempe View Post
    Wilhelm Furtwängler was born 135 years ago today.
    I need to get some herb tea and lift a cup o' kindness.

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    Well, Manxfeeder, I'd like to raise a simple cup o' tea to YOU, for even suggesting that Wilhelm F's birthday, even matters anymore. Also, am quite-sure that "Merl" is mistaken, in suggesting that Wilhelm F is part of a "crusty old vault", or a musician/conductor who might not MATTER, anymore. Could we suggest WF's recordings of certain Bruckner Symphonies? I even have a nice assessment of WF, in his recording of the "Pizzicato Polka"/Strauss, once-analyzed by Don Tait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 89Koechel View Post
    Well, Manxfeeder, I'd like to raise a simple cup o' tea to YOU, for even suggesting that Wilhelm F's birthday, even matters anymore. Also, am quite-sure that "Merl" is mistaken, in suggesting that Wilhelm F is part of a "crusty old vault", or a musician/conductor who might not MATTER, anymore. Could we suggest WF's recordings of certain Bruckner Symphonies? I even have a nice assessment of WF, in his recording of the "Pizzicato Polka"/Strauss, once-analyzed by Don Tait.
    Chill out '89Koechel'! I have no beef with Furty here (check out my original comment earlier in the thread). It was merely a joke about the age of the original thread. I certainly did not say he didn't MATTER anymore. Apologies if you misconstrued my post and thought otherwise.
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    OK, Merl, and I should look at your (and other) posts, more-thoroughly. Hope that you and others will continue to enjoy what Wilhelm F (and his great Berlin Phil, of course, in the age before stereo) accomplished; no doubt, YOU will, and thanks!

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