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    Quote Originally Posted by Delicious Manager View Post
    Now I think you're just a troll. I believe (as has been suggested before in this thread) that you are just recording random 'improvisations' on your keyboard. There is no other way you could be churning out so much audio drivel so quickly. The 'music' has no worth whatsoever. I think you know this and you're just trying to wind us up.

    Maybe you should find a new hobby?
    I'm starting to regret taking this guy seriously and taking the time to give him feedback.

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    But you have to admit, the opening movement of Billy's 10th is the work of a comedic genius.

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    Something tells me this guy is disturbingly more then just a troll!



    He has also self published 160 books. Although I will never venture upon him again, as, well,,, it's all just too damn creepy
    I love Muzio Clementi's music.

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    "That as s."

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    Maybe he tries to beat the Guinness
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delicious Manager View Post
    Now I think you're just a troll. I believe (as has been suggested before in this thread) that you are just recording random 'improvisations' on your keyboard. There is no other way you could be churning out so much audio drivel so quickly. The 'music' has no worth whatsoever. I think you know this and you're just trying to wind us up.

    Maybe you should find a new hobby?
    Well thats a pretty big assumption, and kinda mean, don't you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy Marchant View Post
    I agree that there isn't a widely agreed definition of a symphony but I think most people who use the word would want to say that it has connotations of seriousness and purpose which a dance suite drawn from a ballet doesn't have even if it is a "large-scale, multi-movement orchestral piece". And, why exclude single movement symphonies? You can't be arguing that SIbelius 7, Harris 3 or Brian 10 aren't superb symphonies.

    Here is David Matthews quoted on his publisher’s website: " The first piece I composed was a symphony, and I have been obsessed with the form - which was well defined by Hans Keller as "the large-scale integration of contrasts" - ever since." (Faber Music)

    I think Keller's definition is a good one. It underlies at least some of the posts on this thread and offers a comparative, relative test of symphonic credentials. In any work purporting to be a symphony, where are the contrasts? Contrasts of theme, harmony, timbre, rhythm, tempo, structure, emotion. How well are the contrasting elements united into a coherent whole? Is it "large-scale" - which might be interpreted as, does it deal with big issues? So Prokofiev's first, while being a symphony for sure, is lightweight, it doesn't have the reach or scope of say his sixth.
    Good point about single movement works. About "light-weight" symphonies, you wouldn't say that something not being really heavy makes it less good, would you?

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    What, no new symphony? Now almost 8 hours have passsed since you've posted the last one. I'm getting impatient. What's going on Billy, are you sleeping? A real composer never sleeps!
    Last edited by juergen; Aug-06-2012 at 15:32.

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    This is all getting a bit mean. Do you think that we could perhaps help him come round to see our point of view, rather than beat him up like this? It isn't going to help anyone.

    No, I don't think he's a troll. He is simply composing for reasons that we find unfathomable. Perhaps we should target his motivation, rather than his output? He may be over thirty, but that doesn't mean he is an experienced composer. He should learn more, yes, but this isn't going to help.

    One or two cutting honest replies is one thing, sarcasm is another. Perhaps we should have tried to engage in communication with him? Persuade him that his current method of composition just isn't going to cut it.

    To Billy: All composers of the past have worked very hard on any given masterpiece - and by very hard I mean often hours a day for months - particularly large-scale works like symphonies. They have all also studied for years before producing mediocre works, and have produced mediocre works for years before producing masterpieces (with the possible exception of Mendelssohn). If you want your works to be accepted by the outside world, you will have to realize that some harsh criticism often meets masterpieces like the Eroica, but always meets pieces that just won't survive. You need to understand what makes music works, and therefore it helps to understand what makes people tick.

    I know this isn't going to make me popular, but I just don't see the good in all these attacks, which go beyond criticism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramako View Post
    This is all getting a bit mean. Do you think that we could perhaps help him come round to see our point of view, rather than beat him up like this? It isn't going to help anyone.

    No, I don't think he's a troll. He is simply composing for reasons that we find unfathomable. Perhaps we should target his motivation, rather than his output? He may be over thirty, but that doesn't mean he is an experienced composer. He should learn more, yes, but this isn't going to help.

    One or two cutting honest replies is one thing, sarcasm is another. Perhaps we should have tried to engage in communication with him? Persuade him that his current method of composition just isn't going to cut it.

    To Billy: All composers of the past have worked very hard on any given masterpiece - and by very hard I mean often hours a day for months - particularly large-scale works like symphonies. They have all also studied for years before producing mediocre works, and have produced mediocre works for years before producing masterpieces (with the possible exception of Mendelssohn). If you want your works to be accepted by the outside world, you will have to realize that some harsh criticism often meets masterpieces like the Eroica, but always meets pieces that just won't survive. You need to understand what makes music works, and therefore it helps to understand what makes people tick.

    I know this isn't going to make me popular, but I just don't see the good in all these attacks, which go beyond criticism.
    I agree, but I don't think it'll make much difference. I highly doubt he can read music and is in a way abusing the genre of the symphony by just pressing keys of a synthesiser randomly for half an hour. He is doing this also with the supposed literature he self publishes describing his books as 'the saddest ever', or stuff like that, if you're bothered check outhttp://www.lulu.com/shop/search.ep?t...ch=lulu.com&q=

    It is either an elaborate hoax, or Billy is a very unhappy person just trying to get some sort of recognition. But producing these 'symphonies' every few hours and expecting praise is like throwing a pebble at a large boulder and saying the resulting indent has produced a sculpture on par with Michelangelo's David.

    Billy, please could you at least try to produce a melody? Start with C major, and just see if you can conjure up a theme, or start in C minor and have a brooding introduction. You only need to use I and V and maybe a diminished 7th to get some effect.

    Good luck.
    I love Muzio Clementi's music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    Billy, Billy, Billy. Are your symphonies on Score Exchange by any chance?

    Can I do the 18th, please?
    I love Muzio Clementi's music.

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    One thought: OCD!

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    You know what, I think these symphonies are slowly evolving, so by symphony no 539853 we might have a woodwind section introduced and by symphony no 1 x 10^34 we might have a melody. This may the case in a couple of hours seeing as Billy is so prolific!

    Honest, Billy, I nearly detected a motif in your last symphony, and I think it nearly developed!
    I love Muzio Clementi's music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    Symphony Seventeen:
    Yes! Finally! Was about time.

    That's a good one. Did you upgrade your sounds? No more synth sounds there.

    Keep them coming. Seems that you are in a very productive phase right now. Don't let yourself be put off. The people here might be able to read music, but unfortunately they can not hear it.
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