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    Well thanks so much to DarkAngel for recommending the Danielle De Niese concert Friday night! It was WONDERFUL. The lady is a showgirl. A mini Mae West. The only seating was lawn (apparently a LOT of people checked on that or knew it ahead of time and came prepared - not me) so I was a bit uncomfortable, but pass on. Honestly, she's not a great singer, but she does sing awfully well, and she's such a good stage presence - a big smile and little wiggle - that I for one would not object if the Met were to just get her to sing every soprano role from now on. Who needs Netrebko or Mattila? All you need is De Niese. Can't you just see her as Brunnhilde? Turandot? Lulu? well, I've gone too far, as usual. I could kick myself - my nose was a little runny, and the number of times, trying to get there, that I almost gave up and said, ah, it probably won't be that good, and went home - whew. that was close. But I got there.

    John Del Carlo, unfortunately, has about lost his voice. His last Bartolo was weak, and his last Don Pasquale was weak - and it's such a shame. I don't know how many of you have seen and loved the Met's enormous hit Barber of Seville, but his Bartolo was the granite monolith that kept it all in the air. The linchpin, that held it all together. The central feather, that touched the tickly point. Just a fantastic job. Well, everything must pass. He did sing enjoyably at the concert - his real accent is deep mid-America - and his most memorable number was "Try to Remember," from The Fantasticks (early Mozart).

    Dmitri Pittas was pretty dang good. I know his performance in the recent London Macbeth was not great, but he produced a very memorable Una Furtiva Lagrima. OMG it was good. I requested an encore but nobody seconded me. They did hush and listen when he was singing, though. He did the "How do I live? I live!" aria from La Boheme, the "Quasi in ciel" aria from Traviata, and something else half in German and half in English that I didn't recognize but a number of other people did and sang along to a bit.

    De Niese sang a couple of Dowland songs very well I thought, early in the program, and various duets did popular selections from Don Pasquale and l'Elisir d'Amore. They were wonderful. This six-year-old girl started dancing extemporaneously on the grass not far from me during De Niese/Pittas' l'Elisir d'Amore duet, and it was really charming. De Niese wrapped it all up with "Meine Lippen Sie Kuessen so Heiss," by Lehar, and it was the blowout performance we all needed to get up off our dead behinds and give the whole troupe a standing O.

    I never noticed before but newspaper and magazine reviews never seem to mention the reviewer having fun, do they? The Wednesday performance of the same set by the same group at a different location got a wonderful review, but the reviewer never mentioned his own feelings once. Seems to think of himself as a human performance quality chromatograph, I guess. Sniff.

    I also want to thank those who recommended Hampson's Scarpia. I got that DVD a week or so ago and watched it and it was really very enjoyable. He was much better than I imagined he could be in that role. What's more, I've never enjoyed Tosca that much ever. Emily Magee as Tosca? Who is she? Answer: very very appealing. She just got into the role, and lived it. It was great. Not a classic beauty, but someone you could fall into if you were standing a little crossways … it would probably be a bit plushy, and smell good … hmm.

    So the Question is - yes, there's a question at the end of all that - who's the best Scarpia ever, in a full-length video that's commercially available?

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    I can't answer your Scarpia question because I've not seen one which really blew my socks off (yet) but when I do I'll certainly tell everyone about him.

    As to your review of the concert - interesting, informative & hilarious & I hope you go to lots just so I can enjoy your reviews! You're right, the reviewer's feelings & reactions are important & should be taken into account.

    And take a cushion next time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sospiro View Post
    I can't answer your Scarpia question because I've not seen one which really blew my socks off (yet) but when I do I'll certainly tell everyone about him.

    As to your review of the concert - interesting, informative & hilarious & I hope you go to lots just so I can enjoy your reviews! You're right, the reviewer's feelings & reactions are important & should be taken into account.

    And take a cushion next time.
    Thanks Annie!!

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    Who's the best Scarpia ever, in a full-length video that's commercially available?

    My choice is Thomas Hampson in the video from the Zürich Opera.

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    He is not the crude, brutal thug that some turn Scarpia into. He's very smooth and suave, but underneath that exterior, as malicious and sadistic a villain as one can imagine. I've always said his Scarpia is the sort who could smile very pleasantly at you while he's torturing you.

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    My favourite Scarpia ever is Ruggero Raimondi as "Terrifying but Sexy Scarpia" from this:



    You have to buy it bundled in Domingo's "greatest roles" boxset, but it is a wonderful experience, filmed live over real time and in the real locations of Tosca.


    Raimondi is good too as "Still sexy but more brutal" Scarpia in this:




    A lot of people are keen on Sherrill Milnes' "Implacable Scarpia" in this:



    and it certainly has the most beautiful delicate refined Tosca in Raina Kabaivanska.


    And then there is "classic political" Scarpia here:




    and of course you've already seen "suave psychopath" Scapia in the one Mary recommended.




    Don't forget we have the joys of Bryn Terfel's Scarpia coming up in september, in the ROH production that can be viewed online here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamascarlatti View Post

    and of course you've already seen "suave psychopath" Scarpia in the one Mary recommended.


    Zurich seem to film quite a lot of their productions... I haven't seen this Tosca - is it 'Regie'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sospiro View Post
    Zurich seem to film quite a lot of their productions... I haven't seen this Tosca - is it 'Regie'?
    Definitely, and doesn't make a lot of sense. It's set in a theatre, not sure why. But I just ignored the direction and enjoyed the performances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamascarlatti View Post
    Definitely, and doesn't make a lot of sense.


    Quote Originally Posted by mamascarlatti View Post
    It's set in a theatre, not sure why. But I just ignored the direction and enjoyed the performances.
    Is there any audience participation?
    Ann

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    Quote Originally Posted by sospiro View Post
    Is there any audience participation?
    No, but I'd volunteer to mop THIS Cavaradossi's fevered brow any time!
    Natalie

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    Quote Originally Posted by sospiro View Post
    Zurich seem to film quite a lot of their productions... I haven't seen this Tosca - is it 'Regie'?
    It most definitely is, and I rather liked it. It mostly deals with how entertainment has become the new religion of the masses (replacing the church with a theatre), and how it's all an illusion (after Tosca jumps, she comes back on stage backlit and bows, acknowledging the audience as the character Floria Tosca). But the details are fuzzy. It's been a while since I saw it.
    Also, the production is really stylish. And it has Emily Magee AND Jonas Kaufmann AND the super creepy non-brute Scarpia of Thomas Hampson. Do get it.

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    My choice for Scarpia would always be Giuseppe Taddei from the superlative recording with Giuseppe di Stefano and Leontyne Price. He just sounds so sinister and cruel without the need to bark!

    On Video/DVD i remember being hugely impressed with Ingvar Wixell. This was in the Arena di Verona production with Eva Marton and Giacomo Aragall. I am not sure you could get a better cast ....ever!!! I love Eva Marton and Giacomo Aragall is my favourite tenor of all time.

    Ingvar Wixell is a really good actor/singer and he truly plays the part of Scarpia.

    I think the problem for many is either (1) barking too much or (2) too light a voice.

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    Tito Gobbi (the post can be closed now) I'm just kidding.

    Tito Gobbi is my Scarpia model. So every Scarpia i see i compare to him. Ruggero Raimondi (i think there one with him conducted by Karajan) or Leo Nucci are other great Scarpias. I do know care much for Terfel's Scarpia. Sure i has the physique du role but it's the voice tha does not get to me.

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    You know for some reason i can't like Tito Gobbi - his voice just doesn't do anything for me. Now, I enjoyed Ruggero Raimondi in the DVD of Tosca from Madrid with Daniela Dessi and Fabio Armiliato. His resources were over-stretched but he is really i terrific artist, with great acting ability and intellect and he makes it work. For some reason his portrayal with Alagna and Gheorghiu left me cold.

    As for Hampson/Kaufmann/Magee...i agree with others, i enjoyed these singers (rather than the production which is not that great. Hampson is a rather light Scarpia but again he is intelligent and rather than bark his way through it he caresses every word and makes a chilling effect.

    Scarpia's i don't like....Terfel. Not a role for him -he should stick to Leporello/Don Giovanni and Wagner


    Watch Wixell here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2SFH8-GQCo and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifr6aQ2uWrU
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    On the other hand, Gobbi as Marcelo calling Musetta Sirena (the recording conducted by Antonio Votto) does not seem the most tender one. I hear Scarpia embracing Musetta rapidly!

    I know Fischer-Diskau had been Scarpia but i've never heard. However i feel it might be an interesting one.

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    dos tomatoes
    it is good you got in a free show with Danni, her strength is charisma and stage presence.....delightful fun performances

    Ruggero Raimondi
    This would be my top Scarpia of the DVD age, countless performances 1980s, 1990s. He was a sophisicated sly Scarpia that gave the character some extra dimension, so natural and convincing in his devious manner
    Last edited by DarkAngel; Jul-31-2012 at 13:36.

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