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    as i say, I've dumped both Takacs and both Tokyo's.
    Hungarian SQ/DG, recorded in the 1960's arrived today,,,excellent, now i have 3 or 4 top notch sets.
    ,,= Happy camper.

    Ravel premiered his SQ masterpiece in 1908, age 27,
    Bartok completed his 1st in 1911, age 30,,,do you note the hints to Ravel's in the opening movement?
    Really nice.
    That 1st SQ is a real gem.
    Bartok went on to score 5 more masterpieces in the SQ genre.
    This 1962 release of the Hungarian SQ/DG I grant 10 wonderful stars out of a possible 10.
    I am listening to the takacs Hungatron set right now,,its OOP and expensive,,,I may keep a eye open if i see a copy reasonable priced,,,as i have now come around to the performance. maybe a 9 out of 10 stars, maybe more. ,,hard to say. I will take a 5th set.
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    The Hungarian Quartet had a later incarnation The New Hungarian Quartet, who recorded all six quartets for Vox in 1976. The original Hungarian Quartet included Zoltan Szekely, who had worked closely with Bartok. I think the earlier one, made for DG in 1961, is more incisive and exciting, probably due to the indirect influence of the composer through Szekely. Both are not unenjoyable interpretations to hear.

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    When The Takacs Quartet left Hungaroton for DG, they worked with Szekely on Bartok, the result probably goes a good way to explaining the difference between their first and second recordings, and in my opinion is evidence for the idea that the composer intended a spiky and exciting non lyrical approach, rather than a soft sweet lyrical approach, to quite a bit of the music.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josquin13 View Post
    Also, has anyone heard and liked the recent Bartok cycle by the Romanian Arcadia Quartet?, who recorded these 6 SQs for their debut on Chandos. I've read strong reviews for this cycle, but I don't know the group: https://www.amazon.com/Bartok-Arcadi...s=music&sr=1-1. Not that I need another Bartok cycle at this point, but I'm curious what others think of them.
    The recording sounds beautiful! But I haven't listened to any complete performances. The Hagen set sounds great too, but I'm not sure if they play with enough passion?
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    I think the Hagen Bartok is absolutely sui generis, you should hear it, I think it's riveting but I can't say how you will find it. In a way it is a wonderful example of controlled expressiveness, which is just what I like in music.

    In a the post I made above, I said this


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    When The Takacs Quartet left Hungaroton for DG, they worked with Szekely on Bartok, the result probably goes a good way to explaining the difference between their first and second recordings, and in my opinion is evidence for the idea that the composer intended a spiky and exciting non lyrical approach, rather than a soft sweet lyrical approach, to quite a bit of the music.
    Just to add a bit more grist to the anti-lyrical, pro hard edged modernist position which I adopt, the first Juilliard is particularly aggressive in the central quartets. The Juilliard were advised by Eugene Lehner, who was a close associate of Bela Bartok. Eugene Lehner stood to the Juiliard as Zoltán Székely stood to the Hungarian -- except for the little fact that Lehner didn't play for them!

    I rest my case.
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    Went ahead and ordered the Keller Quartet cycle. Needed at least one representative from the Hungarian school to be on the table... and this is my favorite of those I've heard. I'm looking at the old Hungarian SQ on DG as well, but I'll be excited to hear the Keller first. They have a great disc with Ligeti's first two quartets.

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    I'm up for listening the Hagen, and Keller quartet recordings. And I've got the Belcea set on the way. I've had the same two recordings for a long time and I want to experience other ensembles and their approaches to the music.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    I'm up for listening the Hagen, and Keller quartet recordings. And I've got the Belcea set on the way. I've had the same two recordings for a long time and I want to experience other ensembles and their approaches to the music.
    Me, too. Emerson and the 1960s Juilliard. I like both, especially the Emerson, but people are constantly telling me that the Emerson's play these quartets in a wrong-headed way. I don't expect to stop liking that set, but I hope to discover another part of the music I may have been neglecting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    I'm up for listening the Hagen, and Keller quartet recordings. And I've got the Belcea set on the way. I've had the same two recordings for a long time and I want to experience other ensembles and their approaches to the music.
    The one we've not much discussed, the one which may well be the most probing of the lot, is the Tatrai.

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    Did the Hagen's record two cycles? I see releases on DG, and Newton.
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    Mandryka writes, in relation to the Juilliard Quartet, "I don't know how relevant this is but don't forget that a quartet will make small adjustments to create harmonic effects, what you perceive as an intonation "problem" may in fact be an interpretative choice to move away from equal temperament.

    I don't think that applies here, since a quartet has to play as a unified whole (& do they really micro manage and subtly adjust the harmonic relationships in a score like that? especially in Bartok?). Plus, their 1st violinist, Robert Mann, was known to have intonation lapses, especially in his later years. I've heard others more knowledgable than myself speak about it. If memory serves, it's apparent on the Juillard Quartet's live digital Beethoven cycle from the 1980s, which didn't get good reviews at the time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZv0SfXf6GY. Nor do I suspect the lapses were strictly due to Mann's violin playing, but I may be mistaken about that.

    I remember asking a composer friend about the Juilliard Quartet in the 1980s, and he said flatly that they didn't play in tune. Nor do I think he meant just Mann, as he would have likely singled him out. I don't expect that my friend was wrong about this, either, as he was known to have had a remarkably keen ear, and an incredible amount of knowledge (as he taught many young composers). (Though we were possibly discussing Beethoven SQ cycles at the time, so I suppose he could have been referring exclusively to the Juilliard's recent digital Beethoven cycle, or the general state of the quartet in the 1980s, but I don't think so.) I admit I'm out of my league here, but it doesn't sound like they're always in tune at the beginning of the Bartok 4th. Granted, their intonation lapses aren't as jarringly obvious as say the Lindsay Quartet's, so it's hard for me to say with absolute certainty.

    As for a comparison between the two Takacs cycles, I've never actually sat down and closely compared them. I was simply going by what my impression has been in the past (which isn't always reliable, if enough time has passed, as is the case here). In light of your points, I'll have to go back and listen more closely to the Takacs' "spiky & exciting non-lyrical" approach on their Decca cycle, especially since you say they worked with Szekely on Bartok after their 1st Hungaroton cycle, which I didn't know. The differences between the two cycles may be more interesting than I had realized. Out of curiosity, I'll also try to listen to the Hungarian Quartet's DG set again. Thanks for your thoughts, Mandryka.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    Did the Hagen's record two cycles? I see releases on DG, and Newton.
    No,there is only one cycle.Newton is like the Eloquence Label,it deals with reissues from other labels-DG,Philips...

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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    Did the Hagen's record two cycles? I see releases on DG, and Newton.
    Same recording. Newton reissues out-of-print Universal recordings.
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    Looks like both are out of print at this point.
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    Thankfully there are the glories of Spotify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECraigR View Post
    Thankfully there are the glories of Spotify.
    And YouTube! Does anybody listen to these works through headphones? I find that they sound less harsh, and you can really focus on the details of each player's parts as well as the collective whole in the stereo spectrum.
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