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    Quote Originally Posted by Musician View Post
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    Are you aware that all of your reasoning is based on silly stereotypes about how the people of certain nationalities "should" behave?...

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    "Going back to the cultural/geographical aspect, the creation of music as an art form , was mastered by the ancient Greeks, who they too were composed of various Germanic Tribes. The Greeks were German"

    Never knew that the Greeks were German. By the way, the Romans were Irish.

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    What are some great Greek works of classical music besides Xenakis? I've been curious about the Greeks for a while, but haven't heard anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arcaneholocaust View Post
    What are some great Greek works of classical music besides Xenakis? I've been curious about the Greeks for a while, but haven't heard anything.
    I can name a few composers.

    Nikos Skallkottas
    Eleni Karaindrou
    Manolis Kalomiris
    Manos Hadjidakis
    Vangelis Papathanassiou
    Mikis Theodorakis

    All important for Classical music in Greece, not least through their music for films!

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    A lot of Skalkottas´ works are very good, albeit quite modern and edgy in their style, inspired by the Neue Wiener Schule. For instance his 32 Piano Pieces (Passacaglia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn28s_nQKuk), 4 Etudes for Piano http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGSIp6dl9h8, Violin Concerto http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uj-FU_JVCI,1st & 2nd Piano Concerto, Odysseus Ouverture.

    Dmitri Mitropoulos seems to be rediscovered as a composer these days, but I haven´t heard much really yet. Includes the big Greek Sonata for piano http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlIIZjX3DCs

    Yorgos Sicilianos wrote some effective 20th-century music too, including a piano concerto and symphonies. Didn´t know this String Quartet no.5 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZFEkenioYo or his Piano Quintet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3qIa8JLeNI.

    Giannis Konstantinidis wrote orchestral works in a pleasant folklore- or French-influenced style http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsT-z2cdWTc
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    Mainstream ask someone in the street to name a great world famous Japanese composer, you wont get a response, I don't even know, and I'm a musician. I just don't know of any famous japanese composers, so what do you think the layman will tell you? but ask anyone to name a famous composer in general, you'll get, Mozart, Beethoven and Bach...

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    Well, yes the Greeks were a germanic tribe.

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    Its not stereotypes, the word stereotypes has to do with a negative connotation, there is nothing negative with what I said, just simple observations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Musician View Post
    Mainstream ask someone in the street to name a great world famous Japanese composer, you wont get a response, I don't even know, and I'm a musician. I just don't know of any famous japanese composers, so what do you think the layman will tell you? but ask anyone to name a famous composer in general, you'll get, Mozart, Beethoven and Bach...
    How many others will you get at all? At that level the fact that those composers are German and not Mongolian or Korean means absolutely nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crudblud View Post
    How many others will you get at all? At that level the fact that those composers are German and not Mongolian or Korean means absolutely nothing.
    Who says that it has to 'mean' anything?

    I'm just telling you what are the simple facts, make a simple test and and ask someone random in the street to name a Japanese world famous composer, you wont get any answer. And the point is, that since most people on this earth couldnt name a great japanese composer, then he wasnt that great to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptr View Post
    I can name a few composers.

    Nikos Skallkottas
    Eleni Karaindrou
    Manolis Kalomiris
    Manos Hadjidakis
    Vangelis Papathanassiou
    Mikis Theodorakis
    Too bad Yanni always gets left out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Musician View Post
    Who says that it has to 'mean' anything?

    I'm just telling you what are the simple facts, make a simple test and and ask someone random in the street to name a Japanese world famous composer, you wont get any answer. And the point is, that since most people on this earth couldnt name a great japanese composer, then he wasnt that great to begin with.
    ...What?

    I guarantee that the only composers the average person on the street will have heard of will be Bach, Beethoven, and Mozart, if that. Maybe one or two more. Certainly no one before Vivaldi. Are you seriously suggesting, for example, that Monteverdi was not a great composer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahlerian View Post
    ...What?

    I guarantee that the only composers the average person on the street will have heard of will be Bach, Beethoven, and Mozart, if that. Maybe one or two more. Certainly no one before Vivaldi. Are you seriously suggesting, for example, that Monteverdi was not a great composer?
    You understood my word 'Great' differently, I meant it in the context of been common. Famous great Japanese composers is not mainstream, its not a common thing, that was my point.

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    Is Spain least musically talented nation of Europe?
    I would say no, it isn't. In terms of musical talent least known outside of the host nation in Europe, I would suggest Albania, Luxembourg or Belgium.
    There may come a time when Youtube won't let us do this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Musician View Post
    You understood my word 'Great' differently, I meant it in the context of been common. Famous great Japanese composers is not mainstream, its not a common thing, that was my point.
    So, is your assertion here a tautology, then?
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    And the point is, that since most people on this earth couldnt name a great japanese composer, then he wasnt that great to begin with.
    If "great" means well-known, then a composer who is not well-known is not great.

    That's obvious enough, I suppose.

    It still has nothing whatsoever to do with the quality of the music. So, using a more conventional definition of "great" as "something of considerable merit", I tell you, Takemitsu is great, and it doesn't matter one bit whether people have heard of him or not (in Japan, he's very well-known and well-recorded).

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