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    Default Debussy - La Mer

    This is most likely my favorite ever.
    Just so rich and so beautiful, tons of nice melodies and harmonies.

    Takes me away.

    I dunno really I just love it.

    Any other opinions on it?

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    It is one of my favorite DeBussy works also. Very picturesque music, I remember I was really amazed the first time I heard it.

    That being said, it is an acquired taste. Not everyone likes DeBussy's music. It is quite unique and stands out.

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    Oh, I love it! (Debussy and Bach are my two top favourite composers)

    Very textural-- its funny because Debussy is difficult for newcomers to listen to, but not in the same way that listening to Schoenberg is-- its the subtlety that escapes a lot of listeners (hence the lame accusations of Debussy "lacking melody"). I confess that La Mer took me longer to deeply appreciate than many of his other orchestral works (I'm still not as familiar with Jeux as I would like to be also).

    Historically, when this work was premiered, La Mer was not as well received by audiences & critics as Pelleas et Melisande, The Afternoon of a Faun, or the Nocturnes. Critics tried to pin Debussy down as an "impressionist" and there was really no such thing (at least as far as Debussy was concerned). Critics really blasted him on lack of form (meaning sticking to traditional Germanic based sonata allegro form, etc.), but I think what Debussy was trying to convey was the very formlessness of the ocean itself, so melodies drift in and out and morph into new ones.

    Boulez's 1995 DG recording is the best one of La Mer out there IMO-- he doesn't go overboard with the lush harmonies, he pulls back just a little bit (I dislike it when Debussy is made too "schmaltzy").

    The Afternoon of the Faun is my Debussy piece (though I prefer Tilson Thomas' recording for that-- it clocks in at just over 11 minutes!). I have most of Debussy's major works on CD (Pelleas, orchestral, piano, some other vocal pieces, chamber works).

    A vastly underrated composer.

    ~ josh

    p.s. Damn! Now I need to listen to it again! :-)
    "There is no theory. You have only to listen. Pleasure is the law.” ~ Claude Debussy

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    Anyone ever heard of the Belgian composer Paul Gilson?

    He was born in 1865 (a good year for composer births).

    Like Debussy, he also wrote a piece called La Mer, his is in 4 mvmts:
    1. Lever de soleil
    2. Chants et Danses de Matelots
    3. Crepuscule
    4. Tempetes

    Like Debussy, there is some use of whole-tone scales and non-functional harmony. Gilson's forms are a little more sprawling than Debussy's, and his motivic material is a little less memorable...

    ... but ...

    Gilson wrote his La Mer in 1891, a full 12 years before Debussy's.

    I find this remarkable, and even more remarkable is that so few people know about this.

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    La Mer is one of the pieces that first got me interested in orchestral music, and 30-odd years on I still think it's a bit special. It's true, though: Debussy's music seems to sound a little cheesy when it's done wrongly. It amazes me that any orchestra can do justice to such a strange composition.
    That said, you'll often find his Nocturnes on the same disc, and I like them even more.
    This Gilson chap looks interesting - thanks, Kurkikohtaus.
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    Kurkikohtous, no I've never heard of Paul Gilson... I just googled him and Naxos has a recording of it. I'll have to check that out.

    Debussy's Nocturnes were my first exposure to his orchestra music. It was love at first hearing.

    Yes, Debussy can be very easily schmaltzified or worse by a performer or an ensemble very easily. Last year I completed my Debussy collection after spending a ton of money with a bit of trial and error, and my chief complaint is overly lush, romantic "schmaltzy" interpretations-- like cheesy soundtrack music. And so a lot of people get a very wrong image of what Debussy's music is really like... But when he's done right-- oh wow!!!!

    ~ josh
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    The first movement of La Mer is my favorite. I love Debussy's Nocturnes and Iberia.

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    fool on the hill, before you go out and spend your hard earned cash on a Gilson CD, I must warn that I can't really recommend his La Mer "Jr." as a piece in-and-of-itself that will keep you coming back for repeated listenings.

    I find it interesting only in terms of the comparison to Debussy's La Mer. On its own, it's more like a little pond trying to be an ocean.

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    " La Mer "a hedonist indeed, this was his finest orchesteral achivement for me, more vigorous than L'Apres-midi he portrays an exquisite harmonic sense.The intensity he creates with his polyphonic textures are incredibly original,& to think it all came about during his "escape" to Eastbourne!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurkikohtaus View Post
    On its own, it's more like a little pond trying to be an ocean.
    LOL Well, at least the Naxos discs are inexpensive!

    ~ josh
    "There is no theory. You have only to listen. Pleasure is the law.” ~ Claude Debussy

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    Hey guys thanks for your replies.

    I recently heard the new 2007 recording with Yannick Nezet as the conductor, and it is mindblowing.
    The recording and performance is perfect to my taste.

    Just a heads up to anyone who loves this work.

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    What do people think of the karajan performance of la mer. it is the only one i have, and given that you guys say that performances of la mer are inconsistent, i'm curious to know how it stacks up in your opinion.

    for the record, i think it's brilliant, but as i ahve none to compare it to....

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    Performance will always be a "problem" with this and related works - Jeux, Iberia... because Debussy's scoring, dynamics, articulations and tempi are delicate. He'll touch in a note on some instrument to get just the effect he wants. Changing the (orchestral) balance or tempi are therefore easy for an interpreter but may be ineffective, even offensive to some ears!

    I'm happy with Previn's La Mer and Iberia [EMI]; Abbado with Nocturnes [DG]. But it's really down to preference. I haven't heard Karajan's rendering of La Mer. Maybe they have it in the library.

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    Default Wow!

    There's a passage for four cello parts in the middle of the first movement. It sends shivers up my spine every time I hear it! So lush and rich, it makes me want to cry.

    The Munch recording on Living Stereo is the recording I have. Beautifully done.
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    I actually heard the RCO play this piece in San Francisco earlier tonight. Previously, I had been unmoved and unimpressed by what seemed to me to be an overly romanticized tone poem. After hearing the best performance of this piece I have ever heard tonight, I have changed my opinion. There are still many pieces that rank higher on my list than La Mer but now I understand what all the fuss is about. The lush orchestration and moving string passages are very powerful if you allow them to move you. And that was the key for me to get over my distaste for La Mer. Hearing it live forced me to engage in a way that is possible to ignore when listening to a CD or MP3. Hearing the waves brought to life musically and seeing them brought to life visually (in the bowing) is really wonderful when you're immersed in it.

    I'm going to try to give recorded versions another shot.

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